Going to use this thread to just document info, changes, etc. as my X2 has arrived, and yeah - I already have plans for it for some changes.. ;)
Just for some background, I grew up riding dirt bikes/motorcycles, have wrenched on cars and motorcycles most of my life, have ridden off-road (dirt bike and dual-sports) across a couple of foreign/non-US countries - not an expert, but I don't mind getting dirty or a bit of air time. My wife and I rented ebikes to do some sightseeing on an overseas trip, and as we both really liked it, got her a (used) Bosch powered Gazelle and a FS BBHSD for myself when we got back. We ride a mixture of single track, double track, and some road, with the primary goals being having together time and also getting into better shape. I'm also hoping to convince her to shift to an eMTB over time, and I'd like to get into harder single track.
Looking around, most of the suitable bikes out there were heavy pigs, which I had one already - check the weights and make sure it's with battery, and most FS bikes with Bafang motors (can't cope with 20mph limits, although some now do 28mph limits and Orbea Wild for example would be a nice bike if it increased the limit to 28mph..) are all at, approaching, or even over 80lbs or so, many of them being fat bikes. There's the WattWagon Hydra which as an Innotrace programmable controller and an Ultra motor, with a carbon fiber frame, which should be an awesome ride, but some unknown waiting time and it can get spendy quickly. There are a few Frey models (M600, EX) which look to be pretty solid bikes, but assume 6 month wait from order, metal frames, and rather heavy, as well as no guarantee of a UART programmable Ultra motor. The Sondors Rockstar is 80#. There are others - I looked at more than 20 different (although some had same frame, minor component differences) bikes.
I had waffled for a while between Ultra and M600, and also weight, while noting both - I LIKE power as well as programmability, but I'd moved to mostly using my BBHSD bike on level 2 of 9 for a majority of rides, so had been leaning towards the M600 option, as well as getting away from fat tire bikes (fun IMO, but already have suspension, and not beach riding in general).
I wound up with a spreadsheet of parts to build my own, and prices. FWIW, Ultra or M600 based, I was right around $5K USD plus or minus a bit depending on paint myself vs cerakote, Pike Ultimate vs other options, etc..but was hard-pressed in current pricing + frame/motor/shipping to get much lower. I was ready after many hours of convo with China suppliers, to go order my parts, but I recalled some mention somewhere on the Luna forum for 'there may be a Black Friday surprise' and I had it in my head it was a batch of X1s, so waited...
Had been checking Luna's site and did again on waking up Black Friday, and surprise - the Thanksgiving/black Friday. Have to say I had a bit of waffling between the Z1 and X2, but two things really drove my choice:
1. I don't need more power even though it would be fun.
2. The Ludi v2 is a REAL programmable controller with a solid pedigree from being associated with VESC, and Marcos has been doing controller work for a long time. This was the biggest gripe on the M600 and I can't stress it enough - if you're buying an X2, get the controller IMO.
Again - I couldn't build the bike even with similar components, for my cost, so it was a no-brainer, although I still had more thought on frame size. There is a lot of info for the X2 frame (E10) if you google 'E10 build' but it's buried all over the place. I did comparisons to the current bike size, but of course some things like standover height and a few others were missing across the specs I had on hand. At 6' and 225-230# (hoping to go down a bit..), 32" inseam, I could find others of at least similar height saying 'definitely' L frame, and others 'definitely' Medium frame. Rolled the dice and went with Medium, thinking the side benefit is that may also let my wife ride it while I work on 'converting' her to an eMTB...eventually. Maybe. ;)
Placed the order and the first round X2s sold out within hours, apparently the Med frames sold out first. I already had some plans for the bike, as the color scheme is kind of close to my car, which is metallic grey with black and red accents, which I've done custom on prior cars as I really dig the color scheme...so ordered some Hope floating rotors with red centers, and some red and grey pedals. Meanwhile, I have a garage full of mechanic and carpentry tools but was missing some bike stuff still so started ordering to fill in my tool set (I never bring my cars to a shop so why would I ever bring a bicycle?!? :) ).
A nice thing about the Yari (or Pike) is their internals can be upgraded to Ultimate level for a few hundred bucks. In reality, the Yari by itself is a decent enough fork, but hey - it's Xmas, so I went ahead and picked up the upgrade spring and damper, although plan to ride the bike a while with the base Yari to be able to do a real comparison and contrast.
So - the wait began. I had no idea when they were actually shipping and figured Luna was busy enough without more 'support' tickets inbound. When a friend mentioned he got a ship notice for his Z1 ordered after me, I was wondering a bit but figured - ahh, adding Ludi controller, but in reality I had received the ship notification Nov 29th - it just got buried in BF Xmas shopping mailbox flood.
Was going to call FedEx to make sure they scheduled a time for delivery, but they called me first and we set a time window of 3-4 hours, and they said they'd call 30 mins out. FedEx tracking is usually pretty good, but for freight it's a bit wonky - it went to 'shipment exception' which normally means they sent something to the wrong place, but that was because they noted we had an agreed on time, while progress kept saying 'in transit' even as new locations were added (versus 'location scan' or similar), but when I finally saw the name of a town 20 miles or so north, I figured it might really make it here on time.
Misc X2 relevant resources:
The X2 is a Dengfu E10 frame with Bafang M600 motor, with or without LudiV2 controller and either RockShox or DNM suspension. There is a ton of relevant info out there - here's my collection of links that some may find helpful..
Luna's new customer/bike info: https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...n-introduction
Bafang display DP C240 info: https://bradland.github.io/unofficia...isplay-manual/
Various tips and videos from Luna's Seb (lead tech/mech): https://www.youtube.com/user/sebzbox/videos
Luna X1 KB as nearly all things X1 also apply to the X2: https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...s-ebike-manual
Luna X2 KB (work in progress): https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...luna-x2-manual
Ludi V2 controller documentation, mobile app link and info: https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...-documentation
RockShox fork parts list. Tuning recommendations and upgrade part details lookup page (uses your forks S/N): https://trailhead.rockshox.com/en/search/
(my fork in late 2021/early 2022 is a Rockshox Yari model FS-YARI-RC-B3 150mm)
Bafang M600 dealer manual: https://github.com/OpenSourceEBike/B...0%5D%20(1).pdf
Dengfu E10 frame geometry: https://www.dengfubike.com/pages/e10-geometry
Just for some background, I grew up riding dirt bikes/motorcycles, have wrenched on cars and motorcycles most of my life, have ridden off-road (dirt bike and dual-sports) across a couple of foreign/non-US countries - not an expert, but I don't mind getting dirty or a bit of air time. My wife and I rented ebikes to do some sightseeing on an overseas trip, and as we both really liked it, got her a (used) Bosch powered Gazelle and a FS BBHSD for myself when we got back. We ride a mixture of single track, double track, and some road, with the primary goals being having together time and also getting into better shape. I'm also hoping to convince her to shift to an eMTB over time, and I'd like to get into harder single track.
Looking around, most of the suitable bikes out there were heavy pigs, which I had one already - check the weights and make sure it's with battery, and most FS bikes with Bafang motors (can't cope with 20mph limits, although some now do 28mph limits and Orbea Wild for example would be a nice bike if it increased the limit to 28mph..) are all at, approaching, or even over 80lbs or so, many of them being fat bikes. There's the WattWagon Hydra which as an Innotrace programmable controller and an Ultra motor, with a carbon fiber frame, which should be an awesome ride, but some unknown waiting time and it can get spendy quickly. There are a few Frey models (M600, EX) which look to be pretty solid bikes, but assume 6 month wait from order, metal frames, and rather heavy, as well as no guarantee of a UART programmable Ultra motor. The Sondors Rockstar is 80#. There are others - I looked at more than 20 different (although some had same frame, minor component differences) bikes.
I had waffled for a while between Ultra and M600, and also weight, while noting both - I LIKE power as well as programmability, but I'd moved to mostly using my BBHSD bike on level 2 of 9 for a majority of rides, so had been leaning towards the M600 option, as well as getting away from fat tire bikes (fun IMO, but already have suspension, and not beach riding in general).
I wound up with a spreadsheet of parts to build my own, and prices. FWIW, Ultra or M600 based, I was right around $5K USD plus or minus a bit depending on paint myself vs cerakote, Pike Ultimate vs other options, etc..but was hard-pressed in current pricing + frame/motor/shipping to get much lower. I was ready after many hours of convo with China suppliers, to go order my parts, but I recalled some mention somewhere on the Luna forum for 'there may be a Black Friday surprise' and I had it in my head it was a batch of X1s, so waited...
Had been checking Luna's site and did again on waking up Black Friday, and surprise - the Thanksgiving/black Friday. Have to say I had a bit of waffling between the Z1 and X2, but two things really drove my choice:
1. I don't need more power even though it would be fun.
2. The Ludi v2 is a REAL programmable controller with a solid pedigree from being associated with VESC, and Marcos has been doing controller work for a long time. This was the biggest gripe on the M600 and I can't stress it enough - if you're buying an X2, get the controller IMO.
Again - I couldn't build the bike even with similar components, for my cost, so it was a no-brainer, although I still had more thought on frame size. There is a lot of info for the X2 frame (E10) if you google 'E10 build' but it's buried all over the place. I did comparisons to the current bike size, but of course some things like standover height and a few others were missing across the specs I had on hand. At 6' and 225-230# (hoping to go down a bit..), 32" inseam, I could find others of at least similar height saying 'definitely' L frame, and others 'definitely' Medium frame. Rolled the dice and went with Medium, thinking the side benefit is that may also let my wife ride it while I work on 'converting' her to an eMTB...eventually. Maybe. ;)
Placed the order and the first round X2s sold out within hours, apparently the Med frames sold out first. I already had some plans for the bike, as the color scheme is kind of close to my car, which is metallic grey with black and red accents, which I've done custom on prior cars as I really dig the color scheme...so ordered some Hope floating rotors with red centers, and some red and grey pedals. Meanwhile, I have a garage full of mechanic and carpentry tools but was missing some bike stuff still so started ordering to fill in my tool set (I never bring my cars to a shop so why would I ever bring a bicycle?!? :) ).
A nice thing about the Yari (or Pike) is their internals can be upgraded to Ultimate level for a few hundred bucks. In reality, the Yari by itself is a decent enough fork, but hey - it's Xmas, so I went ahead and picked up the upgrade spring and damper, although plan to ride the bike a while with the base Yari to be able to do a real comparison and contrast.
So - the wait began. I had no idea when they were actually shipping and figured Luna was busy enough without more 'support' tickets inbound. When a friend mentioned he got a ship notice for his Z1 ordered after me, I was wondering a bit but figured - ahh, adding Ludi controller, but in reality I had received the ship notification Nov 29th - it just got buried in BF Xmas shopping mailbox flood.
Was going to call FedEx to make sure they scheduled a time for delivery, but they called me first and we set a time window of 3-4 hours, and they said they'd call 30 mins out. FedEx tracking is usually pretty good, but for freight it's a bit wonky - it went to 'shipment exception' which normally means they sent something to the wrong place, but that was because they noted we had an agreed on time, while progress kept saying 'in transit' even as new locations were added (versus 'location scan' or similar), but when I finally saw the name of a town 20 miles or so north, I figured it might really make it here on time.
Misc X2 relevant resources:
The X2 is a Dengfu E10 frame with Bafang M600 motor, with or without LudiV2 controller and either RockShox or DNM suspension. There is a ton of relevant info out there - here's my collection of links that some may find helpful..
Luna's new customer/bike info: https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...n-introduction
Bafang display DP C240 info: https://bradland.github.io/unofficia...isplay-manual/
Various tips and videos from Luna's Seb (lead tech/mech): https://www.youtube.com/user/sebzbox/videos
Luna X1 KB as nearly all things X1 also apply to the X2: https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...s-ebike-manual
Luna X2 KB (work in progress): https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...luna-x2-manual
Ludi V2 controller documentation, mobile app link and info: https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...-documentation
RockShox fork parts list. Tuning recommendations and upgrade part details lookup page (uses your forks S/N): https://trailhead.rockshox.com/en/search/
(my fork in late 2021/early 2022 is a Rockshox Yari model FS-YARI-RC-B3 150mm)
Bafang M600 dealer manual: https://github.com/OpenSourceEBike/B...0%5D%20(1).pdf
Dengfu E10 frame geometry: https://www.dengfubike.com/pages/e10-geometry
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