My Ludi V2 X2

[K442]

Probably a reference to electric bike review forums... https://forums.electricbikereview.com/search/4554106/?c[users]=IOUZIP

But the measures for "maximum distance" are going to be pretty universal... things you can just 'do' - ride slower, stay in level 1 assist, pedal with your legs a lot, don't carry any excess crap, make sure tires are aired up, plan stops so you coast to a stop, not slam on the brakes, etc. Other things you can buy/modify - thinner tires, less aggressive / more street oriented tread, anything to lighten weight - carbon wheels, other carbon accessories, tubeless tires, possibly gear change if the current gear range doesn't suit your riding style, etc.

[perseverantone83]

What type of distance do you get per charge?

[perseverantone83]

Ok. This looks like a pretty old post, but I didn't know where else to go. IOU, thanks for the help on EBR forum. My stem is now fixed on the X2 I got 3 weeks ago. It had an improperly installed lower stem bearing. All fixed now thanks to a LBS.... I am wondering why the Luna M600 Ludicrous V2 User Manual describes the throttle at always 100 %? It is only 100% of the PAS level you are in. In other words if you are in level one, you only get the max of the PAS not the max of the motor. It would be nice if you could set the PAS level and then use the throttle in the increments needed... Or, is there a way??

Where is the EBR FORUM? Do you mean this forum or another I am looking for some help maximizing the distance out of my battery & minimizing heat. Any help is appreciated.

[perseverantone83]

wait are you saying you get 50miles per charge? Or 50miles with the new Firmware? Everytime I try to load the new firmware using VESC tool version 6.02 and try to upgrade from firmware 5.3 to 6.2 it fails and the ride screen becomes corrupted. I am using a Samsung Note 20 Ultra 5G 512GB & I can' t get the firmware to load. I have around 460miles on my X2 Ludicrous and I use PAS1-5 Ride in PAS 2 or 3 usually and my settings are 1000watts, PAS AMPS 88, PAS RESPONSE-0.6 and FW2 and if I use throttle for more than a few miles I hit High 80degree centigrade and even in th e90's and have to wait for her to cool down. SO I never use the throttle anymore. I get about 6miles for every 30% of my battery. Is my Battery Having issues? Am I doing something wrong. I am not even riding trails I am riding on the road because where I live there aren't any trails. But I Can't get more than a max of 24miles per charge. when I first got the bike I could get around 34 per charge. I Am curious to know what settings you are using, what firmware, & if you really got 50miles out of a single charge? If so I am insanely jealous. lol Can you educate me some? Had my bike for about 1 year. Drivetrain is perfect still, but the distance I am getting with those settings isn't very good. Was going to buy a second battery to make up for the lost distance but if there is something I can change in the settings to get more distance per charge please let me know. Thanks for any and all help.

[RLewis]

A lot of great info. Pardon the newbie question - So do I get the drift there is no iPhone app - I need to get a burner phone to program the controller on the X2?

[Camdon44]

Ok. This looks like a pretty old post, but I didn't know where else to go. IOU, thanks for the help on EBR forum. My stem is now fixed on the X2 I got 3 weeks ago. It had an improperly installed lower stem bearing. All fixed now thanks to a LBS.... I am wondering why the Luna M600 Ludicrous V2 User Manual describes the throttle at always 100 %? It is only 100% of the PAS level you are in. In other words if you are in level one, you only get the max of the PAS not the max of the motor. It would be nice if you could set the PAS level and then use the throttle in the increments needed... Or, is there a way??

[perseverantone]

If I was to buy used from Pro's Closet would it be safe to buy a used set of Wheels, &/or Rear shock? I wanted to tear down my Luna X2 & build it back with quality parts. But the Straight spoke hubs are So expensive, my Industry Nine Hydra Turquoise Hub, & Industry nine Backcountry 360 rims & Enduro 305 V3, Also like the DT SWISS XM521. The build I've planned is Hope Pro 4 hubs, & prob Raceface Atlas Arc 40 offset. I want to add cushcore to it as well. My trails are rough & now I need to fix the suspension on my bike as well. Any advice is appreciated. I know this is an older post I'm replying too. If I had to do it all over I'd of bought the Hydra by watt Wagons, & prob by a Bosch Driven Downhill/freeride Emtb, for downhill days. I know Hydra is heavier but at least all 2000Watts are available & if I wanted I could run the throttle all day long. As long as I had enough batteries. Getting a second battery for my X2 has been nearly impossible, & the distance I get out of a single charge is about 30miles if I'm running PAS2, 1250watts, PAS 63, Field weakening 3.0. I realize getting a bigger battery is not going to happen. Even if I had a second battery I know I'd need to let my Engine Cool for 30 minutes to an hour between sessions. Thankfully your guide showed me I don't need to spend ridiculous money, to turn X2 into a quality build, & begin saving up for my next EMTB. I was very disappointed with my X2. It isn't a HIGH QUALITY $8k bike as they market it as. The new FLX WEAPON X is a nice bang for my buck build, but I already got the X2 Ludi. Weapon X is also tuned but doesn't overheat & uses the newest color display unlike the ugly ones avail for X2. All in all it is a very nice M600 build. I like the Bosch for technical riding DH, FreeRide. But for Basic Trail, Roads, gravel= Ultra Bafang motor, & off-road trail/xc/enduro Still with Hydra Archon X1. But I already own the X2 so gotta get the best build I can for the trails out of the X2, without wasting money trying to build it to handle the terrain, it just isn't designed to ride.

[perseverantone]

So I am considering running HOPE PRO 4 hubs w/ Race Face ARC40, & have been considering the Industry nine Back Country 360 rim. I noticed you are running 1 straight-spoked hub and one Jspoked Hub, Is the straight-spoked hub on the front or rear?

[highrisedrifter]

As someone looking at getting an X2 (or Z1, can't decide if I want the M600 ludi or M620 for my hill climbs), your posts are incredible and i've learned so much in these pages so far. Thank you.

[IOUZIP]

Hey - sorry, we were traveling then had a family emergency. Will try to get a log of them, but I run on the lower side of settings as I run 9 level PAS and spend most time in PAS2-3 of 9, Trail mode. I almost never used the throttle so pretty much ignored those settings but just started playing with the PAS specific settings.

Currently running these settings. PAS 2 of 9 is good for mostly flat riding not offering too much assistance and a nice balance. PAS 3 of 9 is good for most technical climbs. So far zero issue with chain breakage. PAS 4 of 9 is more than enough and have use it for a few climbs but it does make it too easy? PAS 9 of 9 I have tried a few times testing out top speed and it goes 34 mph! Top gear is 10 tooth with 36 tooth ring gear.

Trail	X2
Throttle Amps	70
PAS Amps	60
Power	1250
RPM	6500
Throttle Response	0.4
Throttle Linearity	80
PAS Response	0.5
Field Weakening	7
AMPS Max	25

[perseverantone]

If planning to run throttle all the time X2 ludicrous can get hot really fast. But if peddling it lasts forever. I love my X2 ludicrous but it took me over 3 weeks, to get her ready to travel on 20+mile runs. Took me forever to figure out the app right. Thank god for forums like this. If you want two batteries & on-demand throttle type power. HPC Revolution is expensive but amazing as well. Cyclone can do 3000 watts continuously in the X2 &Z1 price range.

[perseverantone]

I actually LOVE the lever that came with the KS E-TEN I, The Plastic piece isn't that great but the rest of the design is awesome. I actually have 170mm Travel adjust PNW Rainier, but I just ordered a 200mm PNW Loam, because the 170mm is a little short, 36mm above the collar, & with a carbon bike, I'd like to have as much insert depth as possible. But we will see if I like the LOAM which isn't a Sealed Cartridge, which means more maintenance. If I don't like Loam gonna just go back to the Rainier3 & return the LOAM, I can get away at level 9 on the insert on the 170mm Rainer 3, but if I ever decide to resell this x2 ludicrous, I want people slightly bigger to be able to ride it as well. PNW now has a lifetime warranty, on dropper posts, so I figured It was a good way to go. I considered the Tellis too. But couldn't find it any bike shops near me to try.

[perseverantone]

Realized how old it was.

[rtp]

What are your VESC settings? I am getting a V2 controller for my X2. Stock battery so limited to 34 amps but should provide 1000 watts max. I cannot find a thread with people sharing VESC config settings.

I have the VESC tool now and am using the following settings. Not been for a ride yet but this is where I am starting. I have a stock battery BMS so currently I have at 29 Current Max amps.

throttle amps 90
pas amps 76
power 2000
rpm 5250
Throttle response .4
throttle linearity 100
fixed throttle box checked

Hey - sorry, we were traveling then had a family emergency. Will try to get a log of them, but I run on the lower side of settings as I run 9 level PAS and spend most time in PAS2-3 of 9, Trail mode. I almost never used the throttle so pretty much ignored those settings but just started playing with the PAS specific settings.

[IOUZIP]

What are your VESC settings? I am getting a V2 controller for my X2. Stock battery so limited to 34 amps but should provide 1000 watts max. I cannot find a thread with people sharing VESC config settings.

I have the VESC tool now and am using the following settings. Not been for a ride yet but this is where I am starting. I have a stock battery BMS so currently I have at 29 Current Max amps.

throttle amps 90
pas amps 76
power 2000
rpm 5250
Throttle response .4
throttle linearity 100
fixed throttle box checked