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    Girls Townie with BBSHD

    68mm bottom bracket, straight downtube allows the motor to swing up out of the way, 2 3/4 inches clearance, 3p battery wedged in “triangle”, simple and straight forward install.

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    I have a great affinity for this build and keep coming up with cute names. “Townie a-Go-Go” (the factory electric bike is Townie go). “Townie MX” because it is converted to off road. “Townie Fat” because it rolls on 2.8 mid fat tires (bigger than the Townie Balloon). “Full Bagger Townie” because it has the Topeak big bag that folds out the panniers. “Townie a-Go-Go Fat Bagger MX”?

    It is not done, it may never be done, and I think I can do better with everything I have so far. But I might as well start and I am honored to have had a request. Pictures show and will show old stuff since removed and replaced.

    How did I pick the Townie? Well I didn't. I made the wife a kids downhill bike that was great, but named “Stinky” and she kicked it out like an ugly step child. Then while riding around town I noticed she won't stop at stop signs because she is too lazy to put her foot down and start again. This lead me to what Electra calls Foot Flat Technology. Clones are called Foot Forward, I call it Ass Backwards. No matter what you call it, it addresses the stop sign issue and now I find it is good off road to be able to get one's feet down. Ass backwards is even good on steep downhills because you don't have to hang your butt off the rear of the seat!

    I got this used and it has a front suspension fork. It doesn't look like any of the new ones come this way. I would really love to see how a 29er front fork and wheel would work. Then I could throw on a disc brake and have a slack head angle like a downhill bike and the looks of a chopper with the huge front wheel.

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    The basket sold the wife. I did turn the goose neck around so one can reach the bars. One should not have to lean forward like Greg Lemon (you youngins can look him up) on a comfort bike. However there was a time I could not put the basket back on and I heard about this for days. In the end I got something off Amazon to make the basket work again.

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    Step 1 was to bolt up the BBSHD. I still have the derailleur cable under the motor so I needed a wedge so it doesn't get pinched. Simple, but I don't think I will ever be happy. First off I have run into a rare problem for ebikes, I have too much weight in the front, not back, so I would like to put it above the bottom bracket bringing some weight back and of course the coolest of all installs. The damn thing had a front derailleur so I have a big tube to cut off instead of just a chain guard mount like on the 7D or 3i. Then the part that won't fit through is the little tab on the motor. I would have to take the motor housing off and put it back on after it is in the bottom bracket. I wish I had another frame to practice on. Anybody out there able to shed some light on this?

    The 3p battery looks great in the Walmart bag up front, but adds to my weight distribution problem. Look for this to change.

    Really this was the wrong motor choice for her. She won't use the throttle. We had a little incident where I forgot to turn it off, she grabbed the bike and accidentally hit the throttle. She didn't let go and got dragged half way across the soccer field in front of thousands of people there for the fourth of July. “Danger Townie” is a good name too. No way can the BBSHD PAS match the Bosch. She needs the Bosch factory mated with the Nuvinci hub. No one can do this for me. I would have to buy a $10,000 bike and cannibalize it. (See, I thought about it.) This time of year the only Townie Go in the store are the butt ugly colors and there won't be more until next year. So back to Craigs list and I found this for $250 ready for the BBSHD.

    Me, I love the motor. With a 30 tooth mighty mini and the 34 tooth in the cassette it came with I can climb trees. The geometry is really pretty good and the twelve year old in me had fun showing off flat tracking crossed up, kicking up dirt, all with a wicker basket on a girls bike. Wish I had a youtube video for here.

    But I digress. First thing I did was put the motor on and a 2.7 wide downhill tire and took into the hills. It was better than expected so I opened up the checkbook.

    I choose the WTB Ranger tires in a 2.8 wide. They fit so well and look so right it appears it came that way, or at least it should have. These tires completely change the character of the bike and it is really confidence inspiring off road.

    How does the front fender look? I am still undecided. It does keep the battery and rider dry.

    The BMX pedals are a subtle hint of its gitty up.

    I hate hard tails! Never even seen a thud buster but I had to do something. The body float costs twice as much so on that basis alone I bought it. It seems more for a road bike with hard tires creating vibrations than mountain bikes. I found it bottomed out on the trail so the springs in the Townie's Body Float are set up for a person who weighs more than we do. In the end this was worth every penny. It works way better than I had hoped.

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    Stay tuned!

    #2
    I like this build. I was with a friend I hadn't seen in 3 or 4 years. I found out he has a Rad Rover something or other so we got together for a ride. We switched bikes for a while and it was my first chance to use a DD powered bike. It was great, you know the same but different. I am 68 and my friend is 70. We are not so flexible as we used to be when it comes to getting on and off of our bikes. The only real problem he was having was getting on and off. I was thinking he needs a step through and this thread shows up about a day later..........cool. I will have to send him this thread.

    I recently got a Body Float. They are really great.

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      #3
      I like this bike so much I was going to build a black one with the triple forks off my Proflex ( https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...lex-with-bbshd ) and a chrome headlight Electra sells. The BBSHD went back to Luna with an 8 error code, and the black Townie is no longer on craigslist. The triple forks are no better than the forks on the Townie, but look very masculine. I recommend your friend springs for a triple fork for a 29er, WTB tire 3 inch wide and the big Techno disk brake for e-bikes. I want to see this somewhere else than just my imagination! A brand new black 7D is only $500 and REI has them. http://www.electrabike.com/bikes/tow...7d-eq?g=ladies

      The step threw on the Townie is much better than her Giant because of the Foot forward design. She came to a stop on the Giant and tipped over resulting in a bloody shin. https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...ove-with-bbshd


      The step threw is great at any age when you put the big bag on the back rack.

      I have read this and that about how great electric bikes are, but we had a moment a couple of days ago that brought a tear to my eye. At Marlette Lake, where she has not been in 15 years, she gushed on about not remembering how beautiful it is.

      How does the Body Float compare to the Thud Buster?

      nick
      God Speed Paxtana

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      • calfee20
        calfee20 commented
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        Never had a thudbuster. The Body float has the highest weight capacity at 260 pounds and I still overload it a little.

      #4
      Francesca at Marlette Lake
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        #5
        Great..........now you guys have me wanting to spend $250.00 on a seat post........but hey, it might save my back, that's it, I'll tell the wife that.

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          #6
          Don't follow me down the rabbit hole, wait until I come out the other side. We have to get two three or choices together for a comparison. At least wait until I get the next hardtail where I will get the thudbuster. Just trying to say blonds are attractive, but that doesn't mean readheads are not.

          I am spending stupid money just to try everything. See "Midget cranks ludicrous controller" https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...m-the-dark-net and I am only batting .300 with my ideas. This was just one of many losers. I tend to over celebrate the few that pay off.

          It is REALLY stupid money because I hate hardtails, but I get a strange tingling when I ride the Townie... and it makes want to spend more money on her.

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            #7
            My wife made an interesting comment. She said she just wanted to pull out a wire and plug it into the wall for charging instead of finding the charger, plugging in both sides etc. I got an extra plastic charger. Put it in a walmart bag below the battery bag.

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            Really thought I had something, but unsolicited comments hurt me to the quick. The first I was willing to work with. One had to unzip and pull out the cord. She wants it to reel out and have it retract. The second was a girl friend who correctly noted the bags didn't match the bike and the velcros look unprofessional. Off it came.

            I do wonder about leaving the charger hooked up all the time. I suppose it might slowly drain the battery.

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            • ykick
              ykick commented
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              Typically speaking most chargers shouldn't be attached to bikes. They're simply not designed for the rigors of vibration and elements encountered while riding a bike.

              The only thing I've found which survived long term attachment to a bike is - MEAN WELL CLG-150-48A LED power supply. Not for the faint of heart but it's adjustable Voltage a little over 58V and current. Very well sealed, no fan and potted internal components. Nothing will wiggle around inside of it.

            • xcnick
              xcnick commented
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              I found the Electric Bike Co bike thought this was a good idea for their cruiser and did just like I thought with the cord reeling out on a retractable cord. https://www.electricbikecompany.com/...-18ah-battery/

            #8
            Ever buy your girl friend jewelry and then think maybe the wife should get it? I have tried to spend as much on the Townie as a Townie Go would cost. A $500 drivetrain was going to get me the rest of the way. So Sram's ex1 looked good.

            https://www.mtb-mag.com/en/first-rid...e-drive-train/
            http://reviews.mtbr.com/sram-ex1-e-b...oup-first-look
            http://reviews.mtbr.com/sram-ex1-e-b...train-review/2

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            As soon as I unboxed it I thought perhaps it should go on my bike, but ripped the wheel off the Townie and got started. Right off the bat the cassette would not come off with my tool. Well I learned it is not a cassette, but a free wheel, whatever that is, and it going to take a whole new wheel. Well I got a wheel and then got the girly death nail: "I like the blue one better." So now I got to get some touch up paint from Electra and paint the thing. She is going to bitch about getting used to new gear ratios anyways so I am loosing my enthusiasm for this Townie upgrade.

            Vote here: So do I put this on my bike or her's?

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            • calfee20
              calfee20 commented
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              Your bike. Then again I have been single foe 34 years or so.

            • Rider
              Rider commented
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              +1 You bike! If she didn't ask for it or doesn't "need" it, then it won't matter and she keeps her blue wheel. ;-)

              I like what looks like a large guide sprocket on that derailleur. I know some roadies that run their ebikes at very high speeds and say their little derailleur sprockets are wearing out. I was shocked to find out the chain tensioner I ordered doesn't even have a sealed bearing in the sprocket. It's just a composite material sprocket spinning on a shaft with a very loose fit. :-( I may be looking for a large sealed bearing sprocket that fits my chain tensioner shaft down the road...

            • Zippy
              Zippy commented
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              My advisor told me a while back I really should buy one of those drivetrains for both my cargo bike and FS bike, said they're the bee's knees for using with powerful mid-drives, the only hitch is the ticket price of course. My vote's for it going on your bike.

            #9
            Not all Sram bling is bullet proof. I know this is a different product but it would give me bad vibes about buying this.

            http://electricbike.com/forum/forum/...-luna-ludacris

            http://forums.mtbr.com/wheels-tires/...f-1018539.html

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              #10
              I am guessing my bike has the Shimano free hub because it has XTR derailleur. But who knows, it was built up by an employee of the bike shop with whatever he thought was cool. I have been happy with this so far. The XTR is a long cage so I was able to run a 11-42 cassette from sunrace. Adding this cassette made me very happy. With the 42 Lekkie I have a 1:1 low range. The derailleur just barely clears the top teeth with the B screw lengthened. For some reason it won't grab enough teeth on the 11 gear so can only go to the second to smallest. As it is it goes from tree climbing to 34mph.
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              • ykick
                ykick commented
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                Avoid 11T wreck your chain

              #11
              Karl's blog changed my life! Well, got me thinking anyways.His latest about all his broken bikes does lead to the conclusion not to get too attached, but revere how well they work. My bike works and is what I think of ridding every day I wake up. However the Townie is a love affair. It may well be the only bike to build for show as well as go. I ride the Townie almost as much as mine. It does all the errands around town. Even though a hard tail, the body float makes it just as good or better on the road cracks as my full suspension. And it is a looker! And it is funny as hell to pass road bikers on the highway with a wicker basket. And it needs a drive train, mine doesn't.

              So the wheel I found for the Townie came out of my neighbor's dumpster, but I think it is expensive and good. It is a Mavic rim and hub which I have seen on the cool kid's bikes.The free hub is steel although I have no idea what brand. The skewer is frozen in the axel so I am going to the LBS for a talk and no doubt smoke the credit card.

              The is the first time I have opened a package and not had it installed the same day. Just thinking out loud. Damn you Karl! So I woke up thinking of riding my bike, but tricking out the Townie: ex1 drive train, motor in the triangle and a Ludicrous controller. I may have to steal the Ludicrous because they won't sell me another. How many girls are you willing to steal for? The Townie is my mistress who gets me all hot and bothered.

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                #12
                The Townie gave me a cry for help by breaking a chain.Yes she needs a drive train. Then the motor came loose. Yes, it belongs above the BB.

                So the wheel I got out of the dumpster has the skewer rusted in the axle. Soaking in PB blaster now because the LBS doesn't have the axle for sale. The rim is only 19mm wide and for a 2.8 tire it should be wider so I will buy a new one if I can. Then it also needs to be made for rim brakes. The LBS said: Good luck! So I go on the interweb to ask Jeeves and in one forum a guy asking for rim brake 26" received the first nasty reply: What, can't you use a search engine? I feel his pain because I am going crazy looking for a 26", rim brake, wide rim with a hub for a free hub. Not a popular item.

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                  #13
                  She is soooo demanding. I could not stand it any more and put it on my bike. I will put my old drivetrain on her, although she deserves better than hand me downs.

                  It didn't do much for my bike. 36mph rather than 34 and now low is 46 to 48, less than 1:1 which is overkill. However the bike shop was impressed. I had them check my install.

                  The cassette is 8 but it is just as tall as the old 10 so I didn't need shims. My only mistake was the wire goes around the wheel, over the cam and then through a little hole my old eyes didn't see, so I missed the hole. Chain calculators said I needed 62 inch chain, but doing it the way Sram says to by wrapping around the two biggest rings came in at 57. 62 was right so perhaps the Sram directions assume a short cage. My mechanic went on about how well it shifts, shifts under loads, etc. and isn't a kluge with the b screw extended just to clear the big tooth. So here is the porn shot:
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                  • Rider
                    Rider commented
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                    The leverage force is why a 250W-350W motor is all that is needed for most MTB "pedal assist" riders; resulting in huge battery life. You are at 46/48 (0.9583). Imagine what a 42T would do; 42/48 (0.8750). You've created an All Mountain beast!

                  • xcnick
                    xcnick commented
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                    .875 might be good on a regular HD, but with the Ludicrous it is over kill. I have a hill climb I use as an acid test. At .96 I just hit max amps (48) at the same time I loose traction. On the rare occasions I make it the last part I am only at 48amps for a couple of seconds. Funny how little I care about the looks of my bike. I am swinging the sunflower because it is the only 46 I have. I want a BLUE Lekkie 46 and hope they will have one soon. Now the Townie has a 1:1 I will hit the hill climb today. The Townie has the 2.8 tire, vs my 2.3, but less knob, and I wonder if it is really going to better. I will watch the amps and hope to have the traction to get up the last part. Ok, last cup of coffee, back to work.

                  • Rider
                    Rider commented
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                    Probably overkill on a BBSHD too. Sweet for the typical pre-manufactured sub-500W mid-drive though.

                  #14
                  The Sunrace 11-42 cassette is the heart of this drive train. Searching the ol' interweb I only found that I would need a longer B screw. It is a little more than that, at least on my Shimano xtr. By the time you screw it in it doesn't touch the stop anymore, so I added a nylock nut to the end so it would touch and force it out the amount necessary to get over the big cog. This little bit of ugly is not what I want on this show bike, but was fine for my rat rod. In the pic you can see the B screw and just how stretched out the derailleur is when on the biggest cog . When shifting it clears the big gear by a hair's breath. The 11 tooth is unusable because it does not grab enough teeth, so I set the stop so it can't go down there. High gear, top speed, is 42 to 14 and that is fair enough. It pulls 25amps to hold 31mph on level ground. She is sporting a new KMC x10e ept chain and used all 136 links. It could maybe use a couple more links (foot forward, ass backward design makes for a very long chain stay length).

                  Another thing is one needs a long cage derailleur to use this cassette. There are short, medium and long derailleurs. The center to center distance between the sprockets is 55, 72.5 and 89 mm.

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                  I had the basket off so I took a shot of the front end. The basket hides the big tire, forks and fender that makes this an off road sleeper.

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                  The rim is too thin for this tire. However try finding a 26" wheel with a 25-35 mm inside width that is also ready for a rim brake! I hate it when I have money and no place to spend it. This still hasn't cost as much as a Townie Go.
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                  • xcnick
                    xcnick commented
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                    Sweet! Might be too wide for 2.8. Now I need to learn how to build a wheel. Also want to buy a good hub. The only free hub that doesn't clunk when putting in throttle is the aluminum one on my bike. The new Townie hub has the same brand, Mavic, but with a steel free hub. However it clunks. The Uzzi has no writing on it, but it clunks worse than all of them. Steel free hub with no clunk, reward!

                  • xcnick
                    xcnick commented
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                    calfee20 Is 39mm the inside or outside measurement of the rim

                  • calfee20
                    calfee20 commented
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                    All of the info is right there in the link. I am using it with a Big Apple 2.35.
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                  #15
                  Well, it did the job. I never mentioned there was a purpose to this. The gear was one big 34 and six other gears that were close to same. Francesca won't use the throttle so getting PAS to work better was the job. Now I can find a gear for the desired speed and add PAS depending on the hill. I spent some time programming and it sorta works, better than before anyways. I prefer just to add throttle while I pedal. The computer between my ears works well as torque, cadence sensor.

                  Ran my hill climb and learned the tires don't have near the traction the Maxis DH tires do. They are fine for this bike, but...

                  I never showed you Full Bagger Townie, so here she is:
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