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  • AZguy
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    BTW - I also did several XT90's and with the 3.2mm chisel at 450C were a complete breeze... takes only as long as it takes to feed the solder in - they are immediately hot enough to melt it (I really hate waiting for under-powered units to get to melt) and in seconds you can feed enough in to make a perfect joint without overheating the connector... it's really a pleasure compared to the cheap pencils and guns...

  • AZguy
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    Originally posted by Hideji View Post
    "It's a 70W unit and comes in a fisher-price blue and yellow color scheme. I understand they make a more subdued adult-themed color"
    It's actually already in an adult color scheme. It's just that Hakko is a Japanese company, from a strange and wondrous world where adults are allowed to enjoy colors beyond gray and beige, heheh. ; )

    Jokes aside, I'm glad you liked the unit. Beyond enjoying colors, the Japanese are also famous for making high quality stuff. Looks like Hakko continues that trend.
    Hahaha... I guess that having spent most my life in the US (I spent a few months in Japan and several years in several other countries) I'd still much prefer the gray and beige... the blue/yellow just doesn't look professional to my eye

    Regardless, last two years I used the unit for a lot of professional work and it's a really solid unit. The super fine points were able to deal with tiny little SMT parts (1005 - 0402) very well and I had to remove and solder down a bunch of RF shields that were soldered down to grounds that were huge thermal sinks and the large chisel tips worked well although I had to turn the unit up to the maximum (480C) which I don't like to do - it's hard on the tips and elements but at least they don't cost much and it's great it could do that.

    During that time I've had to change the settings a lot and after doing it a few times I now find the interface super easy and don't forget how to change them. I've also really gotten into the habit of as soon as I know I'll take even a short break I immediately turn it down to P1...

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  • Hideji
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    "It's a 70W unit and comes in a fisher-price blue and yellow color scheme. I understand they make a more subdued adult-themed color"
    It's actually already in an adult color scheme. It's just that Hakko is a Japanese company, from a strange and wondrous world where adults are allowed to enjoy colors beyond gray and beige, heheh. ; )

    Jokes aside, I'm glad you liked the unit. Beyond enjoying colors, the Japanese are also famous for making high quality stuff. Looks like Hakko continues that trend.

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  • 73Eldo
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    I love my antique Wellers and my Metcal but can't argue that Hakko really had a good value even when it (or a similar model) first came out at around $250. That was still 1/2 to 1/4 what anything with similar features cost and then that they were able to get it down to $100 and still maintain reasonable functionality and quality is just amazing. Too bad there are so many counterfeit and knockoffs out there literally burning people. You just have to do your research carefully on the product and seller to try and get a real one. I don't remember who the youtuber was but I think they bought something like 20 of them all claiming to be genuine that at least looked real in the photos and didn't seem too sketchy in the ads and I think he concluded that only 4 of them were real and there were at least 3 different manufactures of the fakes that covered the range of not terrible to almost useless with serious safety hazards.

    It sounds like Metcal lost a fair amount of their market share, not sure if its a quality or price issue or if it had to do with the sale to Oki. Mine works great but my friend told me the specific 'bullet proof' model to search for. Yes tips are not cheap but luckily I don't put hours and hours on them so what I got in my lot will more or less be a lifetime supply. I have also heard mixed things about JCB lately, same with Pace. Guessing competing with direct from China kinda got to them. High prices with no new innovation only work for some customers.

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  • AZguy
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    I've had pretty good success with the Metcal's but definitely prefer the JBC stations

    Tips are 10-20x the cost of the Hakkos though and the station alone 5x


    Personally, I'm not interested in the non-digital stations - it's very useful to see the real-time temperature of the tip in big red numerals IMO


    I wasn't so sure about this hakko being that it was so inexpensive compared to the JBC's and Metcal's - the fisher-price color scheme doesn't help with that confidence either to be frank... but after lot of time with it I've been more than a little impressed... Every iron I've had that cost the same or less got tossed in the trash...

    The one feature I miss the most that it doesn't have is the auto-sleep... but I've really gotten into the habit of turning it down to the lowest level (175°C these days) when I put it back in the holder... the next biggest thing I like about the higher dollar JBC's is that they heat *much* more quickly from standby... but at the price I'm willing to live with both of those points

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  • 73Eldo
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    And just to make it more confusing for noobs note that this is or was the most copied and faked unit out there. Make sure you are getting it from a supplier that sells other similar types of tools and equipment. If the price is too good its likely a fake. Some of the fakes work pretty well till the short out and destroy things or burst into flames and others are just garbage that make you think you should have just spent $5 at home depot.

    I don't find the digital temp thing to be that useful or critical to have but like 75% of the brands seem to do it even on lower end stuff like we are talking about here so you just seem to get it along with the other features that you do want. I suppose its like everything these days where it takes less than $1 of components to give that display and the buttons.

    What really makes the difference is how much extra heating power its got and how well controlled it is. The $5 units just have their say 30 watt heating element sort of near the tip and if they have any sort of thermostat at all its not very fast responding or accurate. They also don't tend to do a good job of quickly and efficiently getting the heat from the element to the tip. What happens with those is it takes forever to heat the tip because they just have a 30w heater in them. Once its hot great till you touch it to something to transfer heat into the work (which is how soldering works). You pull the heat from the tip and its now going to take a minute for it to re heat the tip. If there wasn't enough heat and mass in the tip to get the work hot enough you are not going to get a good solder joint. If you just hold it on there its just going to slowly cook and likely damage everything on the board.

    A better unit will have a larger heating element that is well coupled to a good designed tip and controlled by a fast acting thermostat. As soon as you touch it to the work and the temp starts to drop you want that heating element to kick in to try and maintain the tips temp so the heat is replaced as fast as its being pulled out. This gets the heat to the work quickly so you can make the joint without heating the stuff around it too much. This can be really critical for working on circuit boards but can also be really nice if you are just soldering wires. The slow not hot enough heat from a crappy iron just seems to melt the insulation (and shrink tube you may have waiting) and you will see the solder doesn't just magically wick in and cover everything as well as it does with a good unit.

    I didn't do a lot of board level stuff, I was mostly doing connectors and I had always used Weller's. I don't remember the model numbers but they were not the fancy station type. I know they used what I think was their design tip that instead of a thermostat switch sort of thing it was based on curie temperature. I still have both my small 30w ish one and the big 100w ones somewhere. Over 30 years of sometimes heavy use on those things and was portable working on site, not on a nice bench so they got shoved in the tool box or floated around the van so kinda amazing they are still alive. I do remember looking for tips maybe 10 or so years ago and it appeared that weller discontinued that series so you had to do NOS or what were apparently pretty low quality 3rd party tips.

    I have used Hakko's over the years and they were fine but not so much more amazing than what I had that I thought it was worth the extra money or extra parts to have to lug around since I wasn't a bench guy. I think I looked at replacing my stuff many years ago one time an airline lost my stuff and my Weller was like $70 and the lowest priced Hakko at the time was $250 so it was an easy choice to stick with what I knew but then the airline found my case so I didn't have to deal with it. No idea if anyone makes a unit like the Weller I had anymore, I don't think weller does, I think most have gone to an electronic temp control which is fine if they do it correctly. If I was looking for something today it would likely be the Hakko.

    Now the unit that changed my mind was a Metcal. Guy I worked with from time to time would always talk about how awesome it was just like the Hakko people talked about theirs. One day I was helping repair a bunch of arcade games before a county fair where they would all be on free play and I didn't have any of my gear with me so I used this guys stuff he already had set up while he pulled more boards out of cabinets for repairs.... Tiny little hand piece about the size of a regular sharpie marker and about the same weight that never even gets warm with a very thin super flexible light cable. Heats from cold in less than 10 seconds. Even the tiny tips can dump a lot of heat pretty quickly. I really don't understand how they work other than its actually an RF signal being sent down the wire and the temp setting is built into the tip which uses that curie magic somehow. I bought a system the following week. Its kinda bulky so really best suited to bench work and even used doesn't come cheap so likely out of the budget for a hobbyist but sure is nice to have a tool like that when you do need it.

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  • AZguy
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    Glad to hear you got a decent iron! I hope you have a few tips - the right tip for the right job makes huge differences too... e.g. the tiny little sub-millimeter tips can deal with the tiny surface mount devices and the 3-5mm chisels handle things like the big connectors so nicely

    I had to change out a little surface mount part that was under this big shield that was soldered down over it and used the large chisel to get the darn shield off (that was still a bit of a pain) and then presto bang-o put in the tiny tip for the little part

    I've been doing a fair bit of failure analysis on devices coming from really harsh environments lately and it's been getting used a lot... it's short on some of the really nice features that the higher end units I've used but it is capable of everything they are... I'm pushing four years with this and would not only still recommend it but would give a "best bang for buck" award ;-}

  • paxtana
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    Man I been wondering for years what thread this was recommended in. Back when I pulled the trigger on it I thought to myself 'OK I am not good at soldering but would still be useful to have.' I had no idea how much of a huge difference a good iron can make.

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  • Pitts6
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    Thanks for your review. I would also like to add to your post Hakko FX-100 review in which you can see, in addition to the advantages, also disadvantages to understand whether this soldering iron is suitable for you or not. https://solderingironguide.com/revie...fx-100-review/

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  • AZguy
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    I just soldered several XT90's with the Hakko... I'd done some before but not with the 3.2mm tip which is *perfect* for the task at 350°C..... what a pleasure... the pistol iron is now officially retired (in the trash) =]

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  • ErikYoung89
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    I use only flux-cored lead solder at work in the lab. We all do.

    Obviously in production we use lead free.

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  • AZguy
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    Part leads these days are tinned with lead-free instead of lead based solder. When parts were tinned with lead based solder you could get away without flux but it still made life easier. With the lead-free it's nearly essential to get quick flow or the solder sometimes acts like putty instead of flowing nicely...

    I hear you on the tweezers - I use them frequently at customers but I haven't found the need to get some at the home office. The hakko tweezers are twice the cost of the station but when you need them you NEED them =] I haven't used these ones, just the higher end stuff that cost $500-1000. In the pictures they don't look as nice as the expensive ones but I'd have to see them in person and if I had the need I'd give them a whirl.

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  • ErikYoung89
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    Originally posted by AZguy View Post
    They even sell other irons that can plug into this for rework - like tweezers that are basically two irons that make pulling tiny little SMT parts off the board for example.
    We need this at work. NEED.

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  • ErikYoung89
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    Given the amount of soldering I do at work you would think I would spend an hour or two learning about how to do it properly.

    I've literally never used flux beyond what's in the core.

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  • AZguy
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    I haven't used my gun since I bought this and I'm just going to throw it away at this point.

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