Ca Moped License Denied

[paxtana]

It appears that the factory just changed the serials, it no longer has a serial comprised of all numbers that might be passed off as a valid VIN. Serial is now a 17 character thing that is a bunch of letters and numbers. I do not know how this affects ohv registration but will likely make it harder to get plated and any previous advice on the subject should probably be regarded as invalid until further notice.

[bzzzrrr]

Bought a few weeks ago from Luna Cycles. Actually, luna has a good video about registering in california on youtube.

[JohnKol]

For the VIN number, do you use the frame number stamped near the fork? Starts with an H

For engine number, I see 2 sets of numbers when I look from the back into the motor. 12 character number and then below that an 11 character number. Or maybe this is all one large 23 character number?

The VIN is stamped on the steering head column, mine is all numbers, what year is yours?

Do not use the actual Engine Number in the form; put the VIN number preceded by an "E", so if the VIN is 12345, you will enter E12345 for the Engine Number.

[bzzzrrr]

For the VIN number, do you use the frame number stamped near the fork? Starts with an H

For engine number, I see 2 sets of numbers when I look from the back into the motor. 12 character number and then below that an 11 character number. Or maybe this is all one large 23 character number?

[AZguy]

In AZ I've only witnessed personally threats from LEO's about impounding motos... one time on trust land (you need permits) and another on a dirt road heading to forest land... both times it was local sheriff... on the trust land I had a permit but the guy I was with didn't and we got a five minute lecture with the threat... we were both very polite, the fellow without was from out-of-state and plead ignorance and sheriff said he'd let us slide 'cust at least one of us had the permit... I doubt he was interested in confiscating but had we been dicky and protested or he woke on the wrong side not so sure... the other case the guy didn't have a OHV sticker... he got a lecture too but also a $250 ticket...

I had a friend (I wasn't with him) that was out riding on the res and they did confiscate his moto and it took months to get it back... I didn't witness the encounter so don't know if he was snarky or not, he usually isn't but I've had nasty encounters on the res so I don't think it takes much there

Chandler where I live is having a "bike awareness" month where they are going to be aggressively targeting bike riders to "educate" them... fortunately the electric bike and bike laws are very loose here (in AZ class 1 and 2 electric is treated exactly the same as a bicycle and riding on the sidewalk is not just legal, acceptable) and the only ordinance regarding operation is "Whenever any person is riding a bicycle upon a sidewalk, where bicycle riding is not prohibited, they shall yield the right-of-way to any pedestrian." OTOH I suspect if they see someone on a sur-ron out on the multi-use they will very likely issue a citation and if they find one on the street in the traffic lanes that isn't registered (it's silly easy to register and plate most anything here) that may
be a whole 'nother animal... and I suppose you can always say "if they can catch you" but if you do run, you probably won't want to ride there again and if you get caught running expect very bad things...
It really depends on where you are, the local LEO's attitudes and the offenders

Stuff like sur-ron is still pretty new so things will surely evolve and likely not in a good way for illegal operations as LEO's get educated on what is and isn't... and then again dickiness will also surely work against you

[Mike_V]

I'll buy two Sur Rons load up the truck and drive to to the Commie coast and ride with you because of the great new ' see Cali 2022 ' T V tourism commercial, OK?
I'm visiting, have a bill of sale, mine , and wear a brain bucket. We'll be good 'noun?

[Mike_V]

Do you vote?
It's your only hope.

[Mike_V]

A motorcycle cop impounded wut? It's gettin deep lawman

[Mike_V]

Be brave and ride like 'Spicoli'

[Mike_V]

No registration for Mo - peds like a Sur Ron
( in Connecticut. No helmets either just have a license and obey rules of the road ) over
or get flattened no matter
impound ? In these times? Show me !

[Mike_V]

Are you kidding, a traffic ticket kmon man
You're in another country friends. Sorry
A ticket, a violation of the regulations, is easily challenged in CT town court where the LEO allege this occuence and appears to testify.
Usually, a hand written letter of explanation " no one injured " ( including the town 'entity' ) to the judge & you will face
Because generally the accuser , said Leo, is working and too busy for a " traffic ticket '.
Dismissed .

[sharkytowers]

OTG
Please tell me what can "they" DO ?
Issue A 'ticket' { come now }
A violation of the regulations , who is to say?
and who exactly. Name goes here would prosecute

Why be scared of a ticket? I'm not Californian but is it like the Spanish Inquisition?

If it is a motorcycle cop there is a distinct possibility he'll impound the bike. I had one do that to a Vespa I had even though I asked to walk it the half block to a place where I could park it and get it with my truck. It's expensive and a hassle (and often a fucking scam).

And lol... it's not about "name goes here" would prosecute. That's not the way moving violations, tickets, etc. work exactly. Or laws for that matter.

[AZguy]

If you are operating an unregistered vehicle on the street an LEO can readily impound the vehicle

Whether they do or not would most likely depend on the dickiness of the rider

Registering a sur-ron as a moped isn't likely to get someone into trouble... and that too would likely depend on the dickiness of both the LEO and rider


Trouble isn't likely to come your way if you remember the golden rule: Don't be a dick!


OTOH if down the road in some municipality there are enough folks riding light electric motos and violating the golden rule, others may get caught up in broader enforcement actions...

[Mike_V]

OTG
Please tell me what can "they" DO ?
Issue A 'ticket' { come now }
A violation of the regulations , who is to say?
and who exactly. Name goes here would prosecute

Why be scared of a ticket? I'm not Californian but is it like the Spanish Inquisition?

[sharkytowers]

No, Moped in CA is a powered 2 wheel vehicle, with a max speed of 30mph and a max power of 3kW (4HP)
You do need brake light, front and rear light, but no turn signal is necessary
Normally the light must be DOT approved, but they don't really check that

Man, I hope they clean up the laws a bit... this class of bike isn't going anywhere. The cleanest thing I could find to try to "do the right thing" was register as a moped.

One thing I think EVERY Surron should come stock with is at least a brake light. I really don't get why that isn't just standard. It would cost almost nothing. (I know there is a homologated Surron, but I'm talking about the US market) Even the Super 73 has a brake light.