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  • Niterunnr
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    I appreciate all the comments to this thread as I’m considering a purchasing one of these bikes to ride in SoCal.
    It seems there is confusion as each state handles this differently (as for many laws and regulations).
    I’ve been reading the links provided and learned a few things,
    In California;
    405. A “motor-driven cycle” is any motorcycle with a motor that displaces less than 150 cubic centimeters.
    406. (a) A “motorized bicycle” or “moped” is a two-wheeled or three-wheeled device having fully operative pedals for propulsion by human power, or having no pedals if powered solely by electrical energy, and an automatic transmission and a motor that produces less than 4 gross brake horsepower and is capable of propelling the device at a maximum speed of not more than 30 miles per hour on level ground.
    312.5. (a) An “electric bicycle” is a bicycle equipped with fully operable pedals and an electric motor of less than 750 watts.
    ARTICLE 1. Driving Offenses
    23135. It is unlawful for any person to operate upon a highway any vehicle which was originally manufactured as a motorized bicycle, as defined in Section 406, and which has been modified in such a manner that it no longer conforms to the definition of a motorized bicycle.
    27803. (a) A driver and any passenger shall wear a safety helmet meeting requirements established pursuant to Section 27802 when riding on a motorcycle, motor-driven cycle, or motorized bicycle.

    So it seems that to avoid requiring safety equipment and a plate, you would want to be classified as an electric bicycle.
    Something more powerful without pedals would be classified as a motorized bicycle and require said equipment.

    So I think you could legally use the manufacturer statement to register the bike, but if you are caught operating the machine outside those perimeters, you are in violation of the law.
    A DOT approved helmet is required
    Motorcycle license required
    Special insurance may also be required

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  • Niterunnr
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    Originally posted by JohnKol View Post

    This sentence makes no logical sense; you're probably foaming at the mouth by now spewing nonsense.



    Clearly false since CA allows you to obtain a moped plate after you have purchased the moped.

    The above also extends to motorcycles: you can obtain a license plate for a motorcycle that you purchased without a plate.
    I think you’re mixing up the ID plate, (installed by the manufacturer) and tag or license plate, issued by the governing authority, eg: California in this case.

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  • JohnKol
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    The only problem with your assertions is that neither of you have been able to point out which statements are false.
    Last edited by JohnKol; 12-23-2021, 10:23 AM.

  • AZguy
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    Ya know, it's good to [politely?] point out misinformation in order to prevent others from being mislead but when someone just plain insists the world is flat and the moon is made of cheese there's no real good reason to engage

    Oh yeah - don't forget certain ethnic groups started the CA wildfires with blue lasers from outer space and Anderson Cooper eats babies - really, it's true! =]

  • X-Nitro
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    The state issued you a plate because you committed fraud, those are the facts here.

  • JohnKol
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    All my statements to the DMV were factual and true, and the state issued me a plate.

    From your numerous posts on this issue (which does not really concern you given that you're not a CA resident) I highly doubt that you're ROTFLMAO, you're either in an uncontrollable rage or in a catatonic state, or both.

  • X-Nitro
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    I'm rotflmao at how moronic deceitful ppl are.
    Your sur ron doesn't even qualify for moped plate whatever lie you want to tell.
    Last edited by X-Nitro; 12-12-2021, 09:25 PM.

  • JohnKol
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    Originally posted by X-Nitro View Post
    Per lawful regulation the document you cite is invalid garbage
    This sentence makes no logical sense; you're probably foaming at the mouth by now spewing nonsense.

    Originally posted by X-Nitro View Post
    ID plates MUST be mounted PERMANENTLY (weld or rivet) by the MANUFACTURE
    Clearly false since CA allows you to obtain a moped plate after you have purchased the moped.

    The above also extends to motorcycles: you can obtain a license plate for a motorcycle that you purchased without a plate.

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  • JohnKol
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    As I said, per printed documentation from the manufacturer the Sur Ron is delivered making 168 W.

    This is the exact same procedure for certifying dirt bikes as dual-sport: from the factory they have intake, exhaust, and ECU restrictions that make them street legal. If the owner removes these restrictions and the bike now makes double the horsepower, the bike is now technically illegal to ride; are you also going to motorcycle forums posting how all dirt bikes out there are illegally being ridden with plates on them?

  • AZguy
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    Unless someone is a complete moron they know the bike has more than 168W (and more than 3000W) so even if they are a complete moron, since ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law, answering yes on that form for 3 and 4 would clearly be perjury on that form:

    "I certify (or declare) under penalty of perjury under the laws of the State of California that the foregoing is true and correct."

    I don't give a rat's behind if people break the law and register their sur-rons as mopeds, especially since the registration policies haven't caught up with these new categories of vehicles

    And as I stated we can get a motorcycle license plate in AZ for sur-ron... it clearly wouldn't meet the legal requirements for moped here but why bother with that? Just get it moto registered if you want to ride it on the street. I have zero desire to ride sur-ron on the street although I'd still consider getting the plate since it will make it legal on the thousands of miles of dirt roads out here although even without a plate it's going to be legal on most of those anyway with just the OHV decal...

    However...

    Nothing I have posted regarding the moped or electric bike status of sur-ron has been misinformation

    That it meets the legal moped requirements in CA is flat out misinformation - not to say you can't lie on the form and get it registered that way, but it isn't legal and that's the facts

    Electric bike = moped is also misinformation, they are different classifications

  • X-Nitro
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    Per lawful regulation the document you cite is invalid garbage, ID plates MUST be mounted PERMANENTLY (weld or rivet) by the MANUFACTURE.
    Sur ron as a manufacture has WORLDWIDE ADVERTISING that the lightbee has a 6000 watt maximum output.
    All sur ron applicants using 230 application must lie to receive registration, period.
    Last edited by X-Nitro; 12-12-2021, 12:07 AM.

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  • evermore
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    I mailed in the application on the 27th so this was exactly 2 weeks. I just figured this was easier and more versatile than getting a green sticker alone :)

  • JohnKol
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    Originally posted by AZguy View Post
    3. Automatic transmission and a motor with less than 4 gross brake horsepower? D Yes D No
    4. Maximum speed of 30 miles per hour on level ground? D Yes D No

    I'm no lawyer but sure seems like answering "Yes" to questions 3 & 4 might be considered "fraud" (Any act of deception carried out for the purpose of unfair, undeserved and/or unlawful gain)
    Per documents from the manufacturer, the Sur Ron makes 168 W as delivered, so it satisfies both 3 and 4.

    Again, I am sure you know all the above, so why do you keep posting misinformation? You can't get a license plate in AZ for your Sur Ron, so you are trying to prevent people from obtaining a license plate in any other state too?

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  • JohnKol
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    You received it just a week after submitting your application?? Excellent!

  • evermore
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    Originally posted by JohnKol View Post
    Got my CA moped license plate yesterday, precisely one month after I mailed my application to the DMV Special Processing Unit.

    The only things needed are REG 230, "Motorized Bicycle Application", and a check for $24; you do not need to send Statement of Facts, or any other documentation or photographs. As mentioned before, you need to get the metal placard from Sur Ron and copy that information to the relevant sections in the application.

    For those of you that have received the license plate, how and where did you install it on the Sur Ron? The plate is wider than the rear of the bike so it will rip off at the first crash, and I can't find a good place to install it vertically.
    Using the Reg 230 application and entering the frame and engine number, I just received my moped plate from the California DMV. Now, same issue as the previous commenter, I have to find a way to install it. Bummer that the rain starts tonight so no going to Metcalf tomorrow :(

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