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    Sur Ron and CA California OHV...

    While I have seen comments regarding getting street-legal registration--does the Sur Ron qualify for off-road registration? OHV nearby generally permit mountain-biking on the desert OHV without tag or issue but I am just wondering how easily that same defense is gonna fly with the Sur Ron? And while I can see the pedals solving that situation for me on city streets--I think the pedals would just be in the way out there. Anyone have experience in this area to date they would be willing to share?

    #2
    https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...d-registration

    ...just kept digging...

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      #3
      I tried and failed to get a California Green Sticker around Jan 2020. After a morning at the DMV I got really close, including paying the fee, but got tripped up by one agent for not having a Certificate of Origin. I contacted Luna, from whom I purchased the bike, and they were unable to provide one. DMV had me submit (by post) a "Statement of Fact" which provided the particulars of the purchase with the understanding that this would do the trick. Then Covid came and I never heard from DMV. I've been riding the bike on public lands and so far so good, but I don't think I ever encountered an official.

      --Frank

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        #4
        Ahhh, that brings back memories of a trailer kit I bought and assembled myself that only had an invoice. Somehow I got it registered but it was with a very helpful indivdual working at the local AAA office. We've moved since then--might be time for me to find my local chapter...

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          #5
          You know i've been getting conflicting information. I heard it needs to be registered as an offroad vehicle and some people say they don't need anything because it's electric.

          Because these are the golden days of e-bikes i think most people are going out and not asking questions or permission. It's when you "ask" that they will say no. I'm not going to ask until someone tells me something and just play dumb.

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          • Frame Farmer
            Frame Farmer commented
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            I agree and tend to live the "better to ask forgiveness than permission" model myself.

            To your point about conflicting reports of success in registration--this sentiment is echoed in the comment section of Mark Kitaoka's review page (some comments dating back to 2018):

            https://markkitaoka.com/latest-news/luna-cycle-sur-ron/

            while the review itself is lost to "site construction," buried in the comment section is one detailed report of successful CA moped registration. As I got into the methodology used to acquire this registration, I decided there are still too many grey areas on where the Sur Ron fits and have decided I will just ride as the situation calls for until someone else tells me to do otherwise (and keep my pedal kit in the box as a last resort plan B)

          • geoffreygonzales
            geoffreygonzales commented
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            100% this




            ———-

          #6
          Edited after reading other recent posts.
          Last edited by sc-surfer; 11-15-2020, 09:26 PM. Reason: Edited after reading other recent posts.

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            #7
            I knew this was going to be a problem and got my california moped registration done as soon as my bike came in from Luna March 2018. I just sent in my statement of facts form along with my moped registration form and an 18 dollar check. Six weeks later i got a plate in the mail and i am allowed to ride anywhere in California that allows motor vehicles. I ran into 2 guys at Prairie City OHV in Sacramento 2 weeks ago on Sur Rons and as soon as they got on there bikes and took off they were pullled over by the park rangers and were told they couldnt ride. When the same ranger came to get me he pulled up and i pointed to my plate and he waved thank you and rolled out. Just get the moped plates, its not that hard.

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            • sc-surfer
              sc-surfer commented
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              Agree!! I am still waiting on my plate. Sent in my Statement of Facts and application a few weeks before Christmas. Anxiously waiting!!

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              #9
              dope

              so to be clear it’s just statement of facts and a check in the mail?

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              • sc-surfer
                sc-surfer commented
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                There is a ‘moped application’ , a statement of facts, and a check.

              #10
              SC-Surfer, I tried to get my moped plate back in august 2020 and they cashed my check, but then sent me a letter with a refund saying the sur ron was over 4 brake horse, and exceeded 30 mph on flat ground. I haven't responded, and I've been trying to get a hold of someone at the DMV special processing unit to talk to about how it's limited to 4/30 mph etc. They never pick up the phone.. Will the statement of facts help out? Can you elaborate on what you wrote / filled out on the statement of facts? Should I just send in another application and try again, considering you were able to reg it recently?

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                #11
                Buy the $5 Luna plate. Use that info to fill out your application. Do not use the word Sur Ron anywhere on the app. The manufacturer name and model are listed on the plate. On statement of facts state the bike does not exceed 30mph and has less than 4hp. I even sent in a photo of the plate mounted on my bike.

                ...now, here’s the bummer... if they entered your serial number into the system they may deny you again. But there’s no way to know unless you try.

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                  #12
                  Alright I ordered a clipped plate via luna. I see a model: YQ2A on the plate picture, but no make.. I will try this again and see what they say. Worth a shot. I'll send the photo of the plate as well.

                  Could you post your exact statement of fact, and the moped reg form? I want to make sure I get it all perfect before sending it. Thanks so much for the help!
                  Last edited by doxanracer1; 4 weeks ago.

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                  • sc-surfer
                    sc-surfer commented
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                    On the statement of facts I said that the bike was an electric moped, listed the power and speed shown on the placard. On the main application I checked the box for electric power and also put 'human powered' in the 'other' box. (I have a pedal kit...so it's true)

                  • doxanracer1
                    doxanracer1 commented
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                    So I got the tag, and looks like there is only a Model YQ2A.. did you put make "electric bicycle" as the Make? Thanks for the statement of facts, will try to replicate that. I also will attach tag.. thanks for the help sc-surfer!

                  #13
                  Don't you guys think that the authority's will catch on that the plate doesn't match or belong on the bike? It's not legal for official purposes...
                  And that leaves you open to falsification prosecution, but do as you please.

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                    #14
                    Originally posted by X-Nitro View Post
                    Don't you guys think that the authority's will catch on that the plate doesn't match or belong on the bike? It's not legal for official purposes...
                    And that leaves you open to falsification prosecution, but do as you please.
                    I had the same feeling initially, except the bike in eco/non clipped wire is limited to 30mph/4 brake horse. Really it's not lying unless you ride over that speed in sport/clip it. to be honest, I am surprised CA cares this much.. it's electric and they should love that.. Plus revenue from registering.. not sure why they even deny people. Then again, CA has some of the worst rules.

                    Am I missing something?
                    Last edited by doxanracer1; 4 weeks ago.

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                    • sc-surfer
                      sc-surfer commented
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                      The plate actually lists the manufacturer and model. It comes from them, so no, not fake or fraudulent. As for authorities 'figuring it out', no. Millions of vehicles are sold and then modified to be different/faster/lower/taller etc and no one EVER cares. Not a worry at all.

                    • X-Nitro
                      X-Nitro commented
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                      No the tag does not represent the bike and to say it does is just a lie....

                    • sc-surfer
                      sc-surfer commented
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                      If you buy a car, then chip it and raise the horsepower, or install a lift kit that is 'for offroad use only' you are technically changing the vehicle and I suppose there could be a case made that it's not legal...but NO ONE gets hassled for that kind of stuff...unless you're being an asshat, in which case the cops will just mess with you because you deserve it. So, just don't cause trouble and no one is ever going to car. Moped plate or regular motorcycle plate, who cares. You're legally registered and have a plate. Go ride.

                      Oh, and x-nitro, why do you even care. You go do you. I'll do me. To each their own. Seems you don't even live in CA so give it a rest already. As for it being a 'lie', who knows. I bought the bike and tag both from Luna. I assume it to be legitimate. Beyond that, I DO NOT CARE. No one is being harmed by me riding my electric moped on the street (except apparently you).
                      Last edited by sc-surfer; 3 weeks ago.

                    #15
                    Things are not adding up. The tag is just generic so why did the DMV accept the tag make/model but not sur ron light bee? Both are just made up..

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                    • avoshall
                      avoshall commented
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                      Could be because the tag has some details they like, but if/when they google sur ron, they see details they don't like.
                      It's also likely that you are somewhat at the mercy of the DMV official's interpretation, and your success may vary from one official to another.
                      Once you have a registration, I don't think it will be re-evaluated by local law enforcement (especially if the bike's serial number appears on the registration).
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