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    Hi everybody! I'm new to the whole electric bike business and am looking at mods to put on. I'm getting a Sur Ron X, and want it to ride on the roads and streets. I also want to get it up to 55 ish mph, while also getting the max range I can. Any suggestions on batteries, controllers, and other things that'll make the bike better? Thanks!

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    Why would you buy a dirt-bike so slow and hard to license for the street?
    At least the Talaria with a 17 digit VIN can be registered in most states, and it's a far better bike,
    Surrons with asi controller mod are very un-reliable, I wouldn't do that.

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      #3
      Its not unreliable to get a bac4000 from emotobros and a chibattery gladiator 60 v 60 ah battery youd get more then double the range and 5x the power

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      • Teddiizz
        Teddiizz commented
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        So what's top speed and range estimates for that combination?

      #4
      Originally posted by Chrisn81394 View Post
      Its not unreliable to get a bac4000 from emotobros and a chibattery gladiator 60 v 60 ah battery youd get more then double the range and 5x the power
      And STILL you will be wasting money on an inferior machine WHY?
      With an asi controller, this is your fancy battery, I have only seen one fire that was actually the controller, the others are the battery.
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      Last edited by X-Nitro; 03-03-2022, 07:10 PM.

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      • AltaBrad
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        Oil burner 2 strokers got banned for less smoke. Can that vid before Tucker Carlson and the coal rollers see it. They'll launch a year long "what about lithium" rant.

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      Originally posted by X-Nitro View Post

      And STILL you will be wasting money on an inferior machine WHY?
      With an asi controller, this is your fancy battery, I have only seen one fire that was actually the controller, the others are the battery.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0jQN_KeVOc
      So I checked the Talaria brand and I mean, it didn't look that different from the Sur Ron. What do you think I should do then? I alsomplan on modding the Sur ron, so wouldn't that put it up to speed with the Talaria?
      Last edited by Teddiizz; 03-04-2022, 05:48 PM.

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        #6
        Originally posted by Teddiizz View Post
        So I checked the Talaria brand and I mean, it didn't look that different from the Sur Ron. What do you think I should do then? I alsomplan on modding the Sur ron, so wouldn't that put it up to speed with the Talaria?
        The Talaria Sting has some nice upgrades over the Sur Ron, but it weighs 30% more, which might be a significant disadvantage depending on what you ride and how you ride. Personally, I would still choose the Sur Ron over the Talaria because weight is one of my top criteria for the way I ride.

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        • AltaBrad
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          I'm not as deep into bikes as most people here are (more into trikes) so maybe my question is beyond naive and approaching dumb but nothing ventured = nothing gained so...

          If not off-roading then why start with a design that to me seems designed primarily and in a big way for off-road (but still streetable)? I mean the suspension travel and gearing, what purpose does that serve on paved roads and pathways?

          OK, it looks rad, gnarly, impressive, unique in the sense you won't see many in the city, etc. Is that what we buy bikes for or do we buy them to ride? Why not just a regular bike converted to electric or a ready made e-bike? Sorry if I'm missing the obvious but it seems it's more about image than practicality and suitability.

        • Teddiizz
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          Def not about image, if that was the case I'd go with a suped up motorcycle. I honestly believe electric is where we're headed and I'd rather get started on that, plus yes the stock Sur Ron and other bikes are for off road, but there are plenty of mods to make it a complete street bike. Plus, with gas prices rising as they are, might not be the worst idea to go electric. Plus I do currently live in the middle of no where so that suspension may just help with the bad roads we have here :)

        • AltaBrad
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          Somehow I got the impression you were in a city and rarely on rough road. Yeah, you need that suspension at higher speeds. You need the speed because you have a long ways to go and a short time to get there. You're out in the open where things don't leap out in front of you like in the city so the brakes are adequate. In the concrete jungle you don't open it up as much so again the brakes are adequate.

        #7
        Originally posted by Teddiizz View Post

        So I checked the Talaria brand and I mean, it didn't look that different from the Sur Ron. What do you think I should do then? I alsomplan on modding the Sur ron, so wouldn't that put it up to speed with the Talaria?
        The Talaria bike will be a far better starting point than surron for whatever the future holds. The surron company has been eclipsed with superior design, go with it.
        As to depending on mtb brakes at highway speeds,..that's crazy...
        As is riding these bikes on sidewalks, crosswalks and in other pedestrian areas.
        Last edited by X-Nitro; 03-05-2022, 04:13 PM.

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        • AZguy
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          There are literally hundreds of miles of multiuse pathways here in the PHX metro area (many follow the canal and powerline right-of-ways) where there's big mix of pedestrians (with and without dogs, strollers, children, etc.) and bicycles both acoustic and electric (class I & II) and FWIW it's legal and acceptable to ride on the sidewalks here for the most part... There are some skateboards, electric scooters and a few other electric things on the paths but they are more the oddities. Sure, there are every now and then some jerks but they are by far the exception... frankly the majority of douchebaggery is the spandex bike crowd that seem to feel like they've got some sort of priority on the paths, ride side-by-side leaving 1/4 of the path even when you are approaching head on ... most of the other folks that create annoyances are simply not paying attention, not being jerks...

          I guess we're lucky out here and PHX metro is not known for the super courteous...

        • X-Nitro
          X-Nitro commented
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          People trying to pass the surron electric dirt-bikes as class 3 ebikes are just stupid.
          And of course we know that the devious and deceitful people doing this will follow ALL the rules...
          Last edited by X-Nitro; 03-07-2022, 06:13 PM.

        • AZguy
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          I've only seen a couple of sur-rons on the multi-use where even class III isn't legal and those seemed to be riding "head low" sort of not going for noticed

          Ironically the greatest scofflaws riding like retards I come across on the multi-use are usually on smallish ICE machines which are way illegal and so noisy and stinky they are far more likely to draw the attention of LEO's let alone the glares from all the other users

        #8
        Originally posted by Teddiizz View Post
        I also want to get it up to 55 ish mph, while also getting the max range I can.
        You should do some research on the possibilities the various controllers give you; from what I have seen all the ones tuned for higher power tell you not to pin the throttle for more than 15 or 20 seconds, so sustained 55 mph speeds are probably not realistic.

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          #9
          [QUOTE=Teddiizz;n148459] I'm getting a Sur Ron X, and want it to ride mainly on roads and streets.
          I also want to get it up to 55 ish mph, while also getting the max range I can. [/QUOTE

          On the road at 55-mphish keeping up with traffic some doing up to 70 Mph.
          I wouldn`t trust my life on a SRX-LB or a Talaria -sting with those skinny tires.
          You should do some research on Street-legal road bikes.
          You can buy an electric Zero with full size street tires and belt drive for about the same price as you`re going to spend on an upgraded SRX-LB. (Last time I checked)
          I own a 1997 Dual Sport Suzuki 200cc which gets 80 mp-gallon street, 30 mpg off road.
          Not recommended for speeds over 55 mph, due to its low stock gearing and knobby tires.
          You can buy a 150cc gas scooter which goes up to 80 mph and get close to 100 mp-gallon
          Other electric scooters much better for road use are available to the general public.

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          • Teddiizz
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            Ok, so I've got a question for you. Do you know any bikes that kind of have that dirt bike frame while being more like an electric motorcycle? The Zero FXS looked good, do you know of any others?

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          Why yes, yes the dirtman has info lol. https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...-nicot-e-beast
          Look at the Kolter/Nicot/Time bikes, they are lighter and less expensive than a Zero.

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            #11
              • Teddiizz commented.
                ""Do you know any bikes that kind of have that dirt bike frame while being more like an electric motorcycle?""
              • ""The Zero FXS looked good, do you know of any others?""

            Search Ezilla (Quebec Canada) to get all the pricing, information & specs on these E-bikes.Electric Motorcycle
            TALARIA

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              #12

              This video from ECR is 1 year old but be prepared to spend more money today.
              ECR promotes the SRX-LB as the cheapest cost, but the SRX-LB shown isn`t stock.
              (Guessing competition race ready at least $65000+)
              ""The Zero FXS looked good""
              At 13:33 of the ECR video is where I suggested a Zero FX for mainly street use.
              ECR says the best dual sport available for the money.
              I say the best for road use only due to the larger tires/wheels, belt drive. better braking, lights, turn signals and cost.
              Last edited by dirtman; 03-09-2022, 02:30 PM.

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                #13
                This thread is so stupid. Yes a modded sur Ron can do 70 but above about 40-45 it’s sketchy as shit. It’s not different than the multitude of bikes I’ve had. My 200 smoker would do 80 but it was terrifying. Weight is the biggest issue.

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                  #14
                  Get a 72v highest AH battery that you can fit in there. That should get you into the 50's and extend range. Next you can play with sprockets for more or less torque/speed. I would also get on a wait list for a decent front fork like the Fox 40's.

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                    #15
                    Also go through every nut bolt and electrical. Add loctite to everything, di-electrical grease to all electric connections. Toss your chain in the trash and get a name brand.

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