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  • Dale H
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    Yeah man Iv'e had to dodge a train or two myself lol. Hell yeah I'll field test!! Take your time on figuring out the wiring nightmare dude, and it'll probably help you in your e-bike building business. I have the Luna 48 volt 20 Ah Luna Storm battery that I bought last September, seems like my range is not what it used to be. Sucks cuz I gave close to $600.00 for the battery alone. That's a lot of money for a poor old construction worker, but I do not regret it unless my battery decides to crap out on me. It got really warm today after a 15 mile ride home heading into the wind, started out with 53.6 volts had 47.7 when I got home. Average speed was 21.6, max speed going downhill against the wind was 32.7, trip time was 43:35, total distance was 15.6 miles.The wind today was 10 mile an hour with gusts of 20. Maybe that played a role in the battery heating up, I'm not really sure. The reasons I even hooked up the PAS was to try and stay somewhat legal, but now that I'm running the Maxxis Hookworms my pedal assist speed has increased from 20 to sometimes 26, averages about 24. Really digging these new tires!!! Ride safe y'all.........

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  • Green Werks
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    Originally posted by Dale H View Post
    Good evening folks, had a great commute on the old rear hub Ranger today. Today's commute was only 6 1/2 miles, mostly flat and little traffic. Average speed was 21, with 31 mph down about a two mile stretch using throttle. Was surprised to see that it used more juice on the inbound trip than it did on the return, as the return was mostly throttle bursts and higher speeds.( Was trying to beat the rain and did!!) On the inbound I used almost all PAS, used around 3 volts. On the return I used primarily throttle after PAS got me up to 25, to average 31. Used only 2 volts. Puzzled me to say the least . Gotta go now power is flickering.
    Dale my brother I have not forgotten you the task got bumped yesterday for two reasons 1 the weather cooperated and I went out testing out the cycle analyst
    2 and most important is the motor and both the cyclone and the 26a controller are new and I don't want to hack into the harness so I am going to have to make
    a bunch of little jumper cables so I can get r dune I need to do that anyway I will need them for the shop also

    Dale get rid of that PAS it is for pussy's use the throttle you will get better results

    As far as testing goes the Luna 52v 24ah Battery is totally awesome
    It delivers what luna says it will at WOT the cycle analyst was reading out 50 amps continues
    I did not see any 70 amp burst but that is because I have the cycle analyst limited to 50amps max
    when I get my controller reset to 70 amps and reset the cycle analyst to 70 amps max I will test again and
    see what kind of numbers It will yield The watts at WOT showed 2600w everything right on the money
    reading about it is great but seeing it with your own eyes is priceless

    Finally : I think we should go into the battery making business
    This could be the Business model
    WR will make the individual configurable interlocking cell modules
    GW will do the assembly and quality check
    FWB could be the technical answer man web master and Global sales rep
    Dale could be the in the field real life testing tech.

    What say yall
    Peace be with you and always remember that the light at the end of the tunnel sometimes is the train coming at ya
    Last edited by Green Werks; 03-22-2017, 05:39 AM.

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  • Dale H
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    Good evening folks, had a great commute on the old rear hub Ranger today. Today's commute was only 6 1/2 miles, mostly flat and little traffic. Average speed was 21, with 31 mph down about a two mile stretch using throttle. Was surprised to see that it used more juice on the inbound trip than it did on the return, as the return was mostly throttle bursts and higher speeds.( Was trying to beat the rain and did!!) On the inbound I used almost all PAS, used around 3 volts. On the return I used primarily throttle after PAS got me up to 25, to average 31. Used only 2 volts. Puzzled me to say the least . Gotta go now power is flickering.

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  • Green Werks
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    WR R U making those battery cell modules on that printer yet

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  • Green Werks
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    WR that is my econo build bike I took the system off my old blue Wal-Mart bike and put it on my new Gary Fisher I picked up
    it is a 800w DD Hub and a 26amp controller and a 36v 15ah battery
    That is so the customer can ride both of them the econo build and the sport bike build with the 52v 24ah battery and then decide how much money they want to spend
    The walmart bike was pretty ratty I have had it for 15 years I just picked up the Gary fisher used like new for $200.00
    so when I show them now they both look really sweet
    Go to www.greenwerks.solutions and you will see what I am talking about
    Last edited by Green Werks; 03-20-2017, 02:52 PM.

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  • Will ride
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    Dudes. I actually put some time in not too long ago trying to learn to juggle (silk scarves). The lessons seem to cross-over. Working on Van, new 3d priinter, school, YARD......
    I put my professor on the BBshd (finally) last Friday. He was nervous and seemed wary and I finally told him "It isn't going to kill you". I always say "It makes me feel like Superman". He cracked me up. His first remark "I feel like Mary Poppins". I had to remember the scene where Mary rides into the sky.

    GW, what is on the bike in that picture? It doesn't look like a 26 ah???

    Re(new)learning CAD. This 3d printing is not at the plug-and-play yet. And this is supposed to be a beginner's 'easy to use' printer. Still I can see the potential. I am already shopping for my next machine. Unfortuneately the $$$$ ratio to get a substantial gain is Light-Years of $$$$.

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  • Dale H
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    Dude you are a lifesaver!!! Have a blessed day and be safe man!!

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  • Green Werks
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    Dale greetings
    I have that controller and a cyclone controller
    If I can find some time today I will put one of my spare hub motors on the test stand
    Hook up a battery get a throttle and figure out the hook up for the cyclone and make it run
    then Let ya know how it hooks up

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  • Dale H
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    Ok GW, here's the best pics I could get today. If you need anything more I'll have to take it all loose and go from there.

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  • Dale H
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    Thanks I'll take some pics and post them. I'm pretty sure they no longer sell this battery, sort of an ebb and flow to the battery sales there. Thanks for the help, will post pics sometime a little later. I'm sorta in the same boat with FWB, gotta put some family time in lol. It's all good, wouldn't have it any other way.

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  • Green Werks
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    If you can take a picture of your stock controller with it hooked up so I can see the wires
    I will match it with my cyclone controller and my generic 26a controller
    and see what we can work out
    I am not sure of the BMS in your battery I could not find that battery on luna to llok it up
    If it is only 30 amp continuous that 40 amp controller will pull hard on that battery
    but if it puts out 50 amps contionus then you will gain with the cyclone controller
    more torque over the 26 amp controller that came with your kit that motor you have should handle the 40 amp controller
    The DD hubs are strong
    Last edited by Green Werks; 03-19-2017, 09:45 AM.

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  • Dale H
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    Running both PAS and throttle at the same time. The pas seems to kick in harder than the throttle does. Wonder where I can find a wiring diagram for this Cyclone controller? Also my current controller has some different plugs ( a 5 pin jst as opposed to the 6 pin on the cyclone), and the e-brake plug is sexed different. If I bite the bullet and make the switch what are the chances of screwing up the controller or my motor?Lot to consider, so I'm having to settle for what I have until I get either brave enough or dumb enough to just go for it and take the chance. What do you think GW, any pointers or opinions will be greatly appreciated. Anyone who would like to chime in feel free to do so.
    Last edited by Dale H; 03-19-2017, 09:13 AM.

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  • Green Werks
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    Originally posted by Dale H View Post
    Good morning all!! Thanks GW, running an AOSOM 1000 watt 48volt kit off Amazon my wife bought me back in Sep. of last year. Controller on this thing is 26 Amp generic, has 12 fets I believe It's the controller that came with the kit. Back before Christmas I bought the 40 amp cyclone controller from Luna with the intentions of building a Cyclone bike as money permitted. Bought the battery in Sep. from Luna, a 48 volt 20 aH with Panasonic PF cells. Would like to maybe put that 40 amp controller on this build to see if it will give it a bit more torque. Not sure what to do right now, so until I can get some guidance I'll leave it as is. Have a great day fella's
    Dale ma man Your battery looks like it puts out 30 amps continuous and 50 amp burst
    You would defiantly gain from the Cyclone controller with the 40 amp out put are you running a pas set up
    or just a throttle?

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  • Dale H
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    Good morning all!! Thanks GW, running an AOSOM 1000 watt 48volt kit off Amazon my wife bought me back in Sep. of last year. Controller on this thing is 26 Amp generic, has 12 fets I believe It's the controller that came with the kit. Back before Christmas I bought the 40 amp cyclone controller from Luna with the intentions of building a Cyclone bike as money permitted. Bought the battery in Sep. from Luna, a 48 volt 20 aH with Panasonic PF cells. Would like to maybe put that 40 amp controller on this build to see if it will give it a bit more torque. Not sure what to do right now, so until I can get some guidance I'll leave it as is. Have a great day fella's

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  • Green Werks
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    Originally posted by Dale H View Post
    Here is a pic taken earlier today on my maiden voyage with the new Maxxis Hookworms. The tires grip phenomenally well, can't really tell if the improved my distance, but the rolling resistance seemed to be a lot better than before. Going to take some getting used to, seems like a totally different ride !! If I had a mid drive I'd be set I think, or a bigger hub motor. Or if I could figure out how to use the 40 amp Cyclone controller on this hub motor, would probably give me the extra power I'm looking for.Is there ever enough power? For me it's a case of " running what ya brung" right now so all things considered I'm blessed. GW, sweet looking ride!! Hope it gets you all sorts of customers. FWB, gotta keep those home fires burning to be able to enjoy it all. We are all truly blessed to live in a free country where we can pursue what we enjoy!! Ride on safely my friends.......
    Dale that Schwinn looks sweet what motor controller and battery are you running
    FWB yes starting to pick up some builds I have 2 coming in at the end of the month the weather
    is still holding us back but it will break soon

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