3000w cyclone What am I in for

[Green Werks]

FWB R U going to hook up your new controller to the 3k to mess with it
That will be great you will be the pioneer I have not yet heard of this set up
And if it is not too much trouble could you go buy a 72v battery hopefully 30ah
and use it to do the testing with I would so much appreciate the results of your
research and study Chow Billy. UDA MAN Jim.

[Green Werks]

Good morning all
Shep that is a awesome bike it is so cool what you do U da Man
Greetings FWB I got the new Cyclone chain ring in yesterday and I want to get to work on making the new bearing set up
Time now will be short I am starting to get the motorcycles coming in so making money will take priority
may not get the cyclone back up and running this summer that sucks I wanted to have a mid drive demo but that will have to wait
when I do get a solid motor mount and chain ring set up I will pull the trigger on a 72v battery and run the whole 3000w
The new bike will be set up for Supermoto style like my Hub drive it will more than likely be a hard tail I am trying to find another Gary Fisher

[calfee20]

That is a cool looking bike. How does it handle and turn.

[funwithbikes]

Yes, I had a problem with the BB tool as well. The spindle on the Cyclone BB is longer than a standard spindle. I have one BB tool which didn't work. I have a black anodized one that is stamped PARK TOOL BBT-22 that does fit.

[Rodney64]

I have a tool for the bearing cup. But the issue with mine is its not longer enough to get over the square tapper pin. They seem to make these tools too short. So i haven't been able to get the bearing cup tight.

[Rodney64]

Yes i have around 5mm of threads sticking out.

On the left side i have no spacers

I will take some photos but the alignment seems good without any spacers.

[Shep]

The bullitt is actually super wide flat or oval tuning throughout.

http://www.larryvsharry.com/technical-info/

[Green Werks]

R64 that machine is awesome the tool in your picture is for the locking ring their is another tool for the bearing cup you need the other bearing that would be a total of three on the bottom bracket one on the drive side right and two on the left side keep up the great work and keep us updated Bill.

[funwithbikes]

Do you have about 5-6mm of threads sticking out of the left side bottom bracket support cup?

Do you have 5mm of spacers between the left motor mount plate and the silver colored threaded tube to make the plates parallel at 68mm?

Can you take a picture of the from the bottom?

I am trying to make a table of spacer so new players don't need to fit things by trial and error :)

[Rodney64]

It still need to do a lot more on my bike, but this is where i am at now. The BB needed an extra bearing 2 in total. Its a 68mm BB to help remove some of the play. Getting this tight was my issue.

This was the tool that I used. Maybe there's a better one.

[Green Werks]

Hey green,
Thanks for all the info you have been putting out there. I think you have me convinced to go with a middrive for my cargo bike.
I am bicycle courier of some 15 odd years

I weigh about 120lbs and the bullitt weighs maybe 55-60 lbs.

What sort of performance can i expect?
Is 3000 watts more than i need? Would the cyclone mini or bafang bbshd do the. Job
I mean, i can bang out 40 50miles in an 8 hour work day as it is without the power at all
With a reasonable level of pedal assist would i have juice left for a 10+ mile commute home?
(all questions are assuming i shell out for a suitable samsung or panasonic battery

Shep from the bean town Dude if you get time run down to the harbor go to Kelly's and pick me up some clams
While working in the shop today I kept thinking about your cargo bike then it came to me your bike is probably
made of steel I think, I am used to working with the mountain bikes made of aluminum much more of APITA tig welding and CNC and such
but steel you will be able to fabricate a set of brackets made of steel a band saw and a drill press and you are their, weld them to the frame to mount the 3k solid.
With a lot of juice set up for distance with the right gearing for hills and flats you should be smoking please keep us up to date on how you are doing
if you need any help ask, some one it always on this thread we all like the 3k

[Green Werks]

FWB the dugers are awesome the shepherd looks like my old shepherd before Jerry Lee
The 3000w party is still on I have to get a different bike I still need a mid drive demo bike for the business it may not make it by summer
I just have to develop a better motor mount than the stock cyclone set up I have one on papper but it is expencieve so much for a cheap mid drive
but I believe it is the best thing going for the price
I ordered a cyclone chain ring from luna that I am waiting on I will make the new super cyclone chain ring no slop un stoppable
The one I talked about earlier you will dig it. I am on the look out for another Gary fisher hard tail like the awesome Edge build
to mount the cyclone on work with me on this and lets spank this pig

[funwithbikes]

Green Werks,

It is understandable that you are giving up your Cyclone build. Given your expectations and fabrication skill, a better foundation will probably suit you better.

Still it sucks. I was looking forward to learning from you :) Since reading your post, I have spent an embarrassing amount of time thinking about the Cyclone and where it fits into the e-bike market.

I am coming to the conclusion that it can be the VW bug from the 60s. It is far from perfect, but it is dirt cheap. Rather than being elegantly designed, it is simple to the point that anyone with a couple of tools can hack it.

I just ordered a https://www.globalindustrial.com/p/p...m-max-3600-rpm I figured I could run some stress test to generate data on how these motors and the bicycle drivetrains hold up.

If any one asks, I am going to tell people that I knew Green Werks back when he was running high efficiency photovoltaics into the midwest from Massachusetts.

Hope you keep posting to this forum about your future builds.

fwb


Just a quick shot of my office manager and head of marketing busy at work :)

[Green Werks]

Hey green,
Thanks for all the info you have been putting out there. I think you have me convinced to go with a middrive for my cargo bike.
I am bicycle courier of some 15 odd years

I weigh about 120lbs and the bullitt weighs maybe 55-60 lbs.

What sort of performance can i expect?
Is 3000 watts more than i need? Would the cyclone mini or bafang bbshd do the. Job
I mean, i can bang out 40 50miles in an 8 hour work day as it is without the power at all
With a reasonable level of pedal assist would i have juice left for a 10+ mile commute home?
(all questions are assuming i shell out for a suitable samsung or panasonic battery

Shep greetings I used to live in Boston
One thing that I am sure of is get the battery first 52v or 72v with as many ah as you can get then the rest is easy
next get a programmable controller then you can set the system up the way you want
AS far as the Cyclone if you are going to have the Big juice and a great controller
Have a great motor the 3000k as far as mounting goes mount the cyclone to the frame some how
custom bracket so it stays put as far as the front chain ring you are better off with the luna tick until some thing
else comes along
so what I am saying is get the battery that is going to be big bucks but if this is your gig you can wright it all off
on taxes
next just buy a bare motor and a great controller sepertaly get the luna tick in other words make your own kit
and work on the install and that should do everything you want
Cheers as always any thing I can do hit me up.

[Shep]

Hey green,
Thanks for all the info you have been putting out there. I think you have me convinced to go with a middrive for my cargo bike.
I am bicycle courier of some 15 odd years

I weigh about 120lbs and the bullitt weighs maybe 55-60 lbs.

What sort of performance can i expect?
Is 3000 watts more than i need? Would the cyclone mini or bafang bbshd do the. Job
I mean, i can bang out 40 50miles in an 8 hour work day as it is without the power at all
With a reasonable level of pedal assist would i have juice left for a 10+ mile commute home?
(all questions are assuming i shell out for a suitable samsung or panasonic battery