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    Want to build a cyclone kit? Start here!!!

    Ok I've had quite a few requests for information on the Cyclone kits. I'm sorry it's the only kit I haven't built. Given my affair with the BBS series, it's not likely. BUT it's not that I have any less respect for the kit. I was lucky enough to meet, virtually, a great builder and asked him to spend some time here. We'd LOVE to build our Cyclone inventory and do an even better job of providing quality parts and bits for your builds. SO JUMP IN! Start here and join the revolution with a Cyclone 3000!!!

    #2
    C'mon Louis, no Cyclone yet??

    Well, then bring the questions forth... :)

    Alpha One 6000W tadpole e-Trike (Cyclone): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFC8MRwvgUM
    Alpha Two Cyclone 3000W tadpole e-Trike: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkakVw8yY8E
    Electric Cyclone 3000W eBike "power mod": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_weSmz_h3Ig

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      #3
      Alright then, I'll get the ball rolling. To anyone who has a BBSHD and Cyclone: what are the biggest differences you noticed in terms of installation, performance, bike maintenance, and whatever else?

      I have read the Electric Bike articles but a side by side comparison would be very helpful.

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        #4
        I am only a Cyclone owner / builder here, and so far I am loving both of mine (I have an eBike and an eTrike) Given what the Cyclone can offer, and with what Luna has in store, I would never consider a Bafang at this point.... Now, with that said the hardest part on any Cyclone install is making it look nice; whereas the Bafang is a cleaner out of the box solution.

        The chainline on the Cyclone won't be all messed up, and it also gives you the option to run multiple chainrings in case you want to ever pedal your bike without any e-assist.

        In terms of performance and hot-rodding capabilities there is not context between the two. Stock for stock the Cyclone will draw rings around any Bafang, no matter what you do to the Bafang, and in a hotrodding contest I doub't you'll ever break 60 mph with a Bafang on a straight line on anything that isn't a Velomobile; while I can already hit 58 mph on my Cyclone 3000W e-Trike on level road; and while I have the ability to get to 60 mph, I also have the option to get about 8-9 Wh mile when I run the trike at 15 mph and pedaling along; again, but make no mistake if you see my slow ass trike on the road, as at any moment I can downshift to 2nd gear and hammer the throttle and get to 30 mph in a second; then tap one more time for 4th gear and I am doing 40 mph on any flat road. Can't do that with Cyclone.

        Noise; yes, the Cyclone can sound loud like an (old) Formula 1 during a qualifying lap @ 6kW, but when I run mine at 120 watts I can't tell if the motor is running at all, so its all in how you use it. I much rather use my right hand and common sense to control the speed (like a very powerful sports car) than have a gutless vehicle... BTW, I've raced and blown the doors of a few scooters already... wait, scooters don't have doors, right?, anyhow, you get the point.

        Price, its also much cheaper and the money you save from the Bafang you can direct towards getting a very nice high capacity battery pack; which IMO this is the best thing you can do if you want a real world usable eBike. My trike has about 65 miles @ 30mph cruise on only motor, and over 200 miles at 15mph on motor alone, I simply won't ever go back to the short 10 mile range with some hard pedaling kind of stuff... My trike is my car now, I use it to go everywhere, and no recharging except once every four or five days. If I need to show up to a place quickly where I can't take a shower or I need to show up dressed up I have the option to run motor only at high speed and a) not worry about it overheating b) gears snapping c) not spilling a drop of sweat.

        Okay, Cyclone fanboy bragging rant off.

        G.
        Alpha One 6000W tadpole e-Trike (Cyclone): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFC8MRwvgUM
        Alpha Two Cyclone 3000W tadpole e-Trike: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkakVw8yY8E
        Electric Cyclone 3000W eBike "power mod": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_weSmz_h3Ig

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          #5
          Nobody on these boards has tried both kits?

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            #6
            Jeebus ok already. Next month. June, I'll do it. Now to find another Townie, Pure, or Smoothie.

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            • gman1971
              gman1971 commented
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              NICE! You won't be disappointed Louis...

            #7
            Another member called Sather has both, he could chime in and give us his, arguably, less biased opinion. hehehe.

            G.
            Alpha One 6000W tadpole e-Trike (Cyclone): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFC8MRwvgUM
            Alpha Two Cyclone 3000W tadpole e-Trike: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkakVw8yY8E
            Electric Cyclone 3000W eBike "power mod": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_weSmz_h3Ig

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              #8
              Originally posted by gman1971 View Post
              I am only a Cyclone owner / builder here, and so far I am loving both of mine (I have an eBike and an eTrike) Given what the Cyclone can offer, and with what Luna has in store, I would never consider a Bafang at this point.... Now, with that said the hardest part on any Cyclone install is making it look nice; whereas the Bafang is a cleaner out of the box solution.

              The chainline on the Cyclone won't be all messed up, and it also gives you the option to run multiple chainrings in case you want to ever pedal your bike without any e-assist.

              In terms of performance and hot-rodding capabilities there is not context between the two. Stock for stock the Cyclone will draw rings around any Bafang, no matter what you do to the Bafang, and in a hotrodding contest I doub't you'll ever break 60 mph with a Bafang on a straight line on anything that isn't a Velomobile; while I can already hit 58 mph on my Cyclone 3000W e-Trike on level road; and while I have the ability to get to 60 mph, I also have the option to get about 8-9 Wh mile when I run the trike at 15 mph and pedaling along; again, but make no mistake if you see my slow ass trike on the road, as at any moment I can downshift to 2nd gear and hammer the throttle and get to 30 mph in a second; then tap one more time for 4th gear and I am doing 40 mph on any flat road. Can't do that with Cyclone.

              Noise; yes, the Cyclone can sound loud like an (old) Formula 1 during a qualifying lap @ 6kW, but when I run mine at 120 watts I can't tell if the motor is running at all, so its all in how you use it. I much rather use my right hand and common sense to control the speed (like a very powerful sports car) than have a gutless vehicle... BTW, I've raced and blown the doors of a few scooters already... wait, scooters don't have doors, right?, anyhow, you get the point.

              Price, its also much cheaper and the money you save from the Bafang you can direct towards getting a very nice high capacity battery pack; which IMO this is the best thing you can do if you want a real world usable eBike. My trike has about 65 miles @ 30mph cruise on only motor, and over 200 miles at 15mph on motor alone, I simply won't ever go back to the short 10 mile range with some hard pedaling kind of stuff... My trike is my car now, I use it to go everywhere, and no recharging except once every four or five days. If I need to show up to a place quickly where I can't take a shower or I need to show up dressed up I have the option to run motor only at high speed and a) not worry about it overheating b) gears snapping c) not spilling a drop of sweat.

              Okay, Cyclone fanboy bragging rant off.

              G.

              ok so i read this post and im getting a cyclone kit to put on my trek marlin 7 23" frame but i have some questions about speed and distance, the battery pack i have is a 74v (20s) 30AH pack... 200-18650s in a 20s10p config... im converting my bike to a single speed with a 16 tooth gear. given the rear 16tooth gear and the 74v30AH pack, on flat ground what estimated speeds and distance im i looking at.

              also you said you were pushing 6kw, what controller where you using, i was thinking about getting the mini4kw controller if it will boost my speed, im trying to get to 50mph.

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                #9
                I let my son ride the cyclone on a path by the school. I attached a video of him riding on it. With him on it, its very stealthy. I have an 8 speed internal gear hub on the back and in the lowest gear it stays within the safe biking speed of 20 km/h. I told my son to stay in the lowest gear. I weigh 260 lbs and when going uphill without pedalling is when the motor gets louder. I love its hill climbing ability.

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                  #10
                  Run this kit on 18S LiPo MAX. You could push your luck with 19S LiPo, but I don't recommend doing that.

                  DO NOT exceed 80 volts, period; that will kill the controller, and it will be YOUR fault, not Luna or poor Taiwan Cyclone quality. (just like some guy who ran it at 80+ on E-S). Capacitors are rated max 80V. If you want higher voltage get a different controller.

                  G.
                  Alpha One 6000W tadpole e-Trike (Cyclone): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFC8MRwvgUM
                  Alpha Two Cyclone 3000W tadpole e-Trike: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkakVw8yY8E
                  Electric Cyclone 3000W eBike "power mod": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_weSmz_h3Ig

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                    #11
                    To push 50 mph will require close to 5 kW on an upright unfaired, non-aero mtb bike. With 3 kW on my eBike (60 amps @ 50V) I can only push 43 mph mph in the right conditions; power requirement grows with the cube of speed. No upright MTB is going to be fast unless you dump insane amounts of power; which introduces a lot of other problems. Motomoto was able to break 66 mph on his DH bike but he ran 8+ kW on an Astroflight mid drive with who knows what other work... he got rid of that setup b/c he kept breaking chains and ruining the drivetrain... see his videos on youtube.

                    This is a good rule of thumb: Figure out whatever power you need to run @ 30 mph, and then multiply that number by 8; that will give you roughly the power you need to get to 60. Most likely 7 or 8 kW. According to another E-S forum member running the motor past 7 kW seems pointless; as his (and I agree) calculations showed the best operating range for this motor were in the 4-6 kW, that's according to this person's tests. I only run 6 kW in very few selected scenarios; I rarely exceed 3 kW on my trike. Efficiency goes down the toilet really fast once you get anything above 4 kW based on his tests; which means you could burn the motor.

                    G.
                    Alpha One 6000W tadpole e-Trike (Cyclone): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFC8MRwvgUM
                    Alpha Two Cyclone 3000W tadpole e-Trike: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkakVw8yY8E
                    Electric Cyclone 3000W eBike "power mod": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_weSmz_h3Ig

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                      #12
                      Originally posted by cspanza View Post
                      I let my son ride the cyclone on a path by the school. I attached a video of him riding on it. With him on it, its very stealthy. I have an 8 speed internal gear hub on the back and in the lowest gear it stays within the safe biking speed of 20 km/h. I told my son to stay in the lowest gear. I weigh 260 lbs and when going uphill without pedalling is when the motor gets louder. I love its hill climbing ability.
                      This is great. Yeah, the cyclone is very silent if you don't ride it at full throttle.

                      G.
                      Alpha One 6000W tadpole e-Trike (Cyclone): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFC8MRwvgUM
                      Alpha Two Cyclone 3000W tadpole e-Trike: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkakVw8yY8E
                      Electric Cyclone 3000W eBike "power mod": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_weSmz_h3Ig

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                        #13
                        Originally posted by gman1971 View Post
                        Run this kit on 18S LiPo MAX. You could push your luck with 19S LiPo, but I don't recommend doing that.

                        DO NOT exceed 80 volts, period; that will kill the controller, and it will be YOUR fault, not Luna or poor Taiwan Cyclone quality. (just like some guy who ran it at 80+ on E-S). Capacitors are rated max 80V. If you want higher voltage get a different controller.

                        G.
                        18s MAX??? luna rates the controller for 72v would running 74 really be that bad, 20x3.7v=74v...
                        so assuming i go down to 18s what would i be looking at for speed, like 35mph? 40mph?

                        and on your trike what AH packs do you use to get that milage?

                        see my question is if i get an 4kw or 8kw sine wave controller from Adaptto e-drive lab.... and use that instead of the included controller, would that work?

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                        • Rodney64
                          Rodney64 commented
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                          I have a couple of adaptto controllers and was thinking the same. Would it work.

                        #14
                        Originally posted by Andrew Storlie View Post

                        see my question is if i get an 4kw or 8kw sine wave controller from Adaptto e-drive lab.... and use that instead of the included controller, would that work?
                        +1

                        Has anyone tried running the C3000 with any of the adaptto controllers? I'd love to see the setup wiring, and config of the controller.

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