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    #31
    Originally posted by Dale H View Post
    Looked it up and apparently these are 10amp continuous, with possibly a 50 amp 80 amp max BMS according to Lunacycle's January 09, 2016 article on their PF cell battery packs. The article is primarily focused on their 52 volt offerings, but states that ALL of their PF cell packs were wired with this BMS. Really hard to know for sure without tearing my pack apart, something I'm not willing to do unless I have a problem with it. I'm a poor dude, so the $600.00 I gave for this pack last September was a big expenditure for me. Anyway those are the facts I can find as of now. Thanks again for your input on this prospective build and ride on safely bro!
    Dale that battery will work for you It may not have the distance that the big 52v24ah battery will but it will do the job
    The only thing I would do if you get the controller is set it at 40 amps instead of the default 50 amps that it is set at at the factory
    that way it wont pull as hard on your battery.
    Billy.

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      #32
      Thank you Billy, will do this if and when I make the move to the EDGE 1500 watt hub.

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        #33
        Update:
        for you stat geeks
        Took a 20.8 mile ride with the wife on her bike
        4 big uphill climbs about 1/4 mile each heavy wind
        20.8 miles
        WH per mile 18.7
        Amps max 47.29
        max speed 36.7 mph
        avg speed 13.3
        left with 58.6v
        got back with55.3
        used 3.3v
        I am more than satisfied never went more than half throttle
        After one long 1/4 mile climb I stopped to check things out and wait on the wife
        the motor was barely warm the controller was much warmer but not hot
        I may have to go with a larger fett controller from 12 to 18
        Last edited by Green Werks; 04-10-2017, 03:37 PM.

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          #34
          41217 update
          went for a nother 21.124 mile ride chasing the wife on the bike path 2 long 1/4 mile climbs to get to the bike path
          we live down in a valley
          wh miles 16.2
          a max 50.02
          max speed 35.6 that was a down hill coming back no motor on peddle just coast
          avg speed 13.9 on the flats using 240w
          58.6 v when left
          55.7v when return
          total volts burned 2.9
          Dudes one hell of a battery motor controller combo I love it
          I will see what it does on a 50 mile run when I can
          Cheers OLe Billy

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            #35
            Green werks, this is very useful info. Can you imagine ever wanting more power, or would you say this combo is likely to be satisfying for the long term?

            If your motor is getting hot under your max loads, you might need to add some ferrofluid, or move up to a larger hubmotor. At the other end, if your motor is cold all the time, you may have chosen a model that is larger, heavier, and more expensive than you needed.

            Just warm, is just right.

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              #36
              Great documentation GW! Wishing my battery/ rear hub combo was this efficient. Around here it's a lot of hills.This mornings commute was 8.3 miles, started out with 54 volts, had 51.5 when I got there. I do not have a cycle analyst, just the digital meter on my Luna Storm 48v 20 ah battery made with Panasonic PF cells. Seems like the GA cells do a lot better. And my controller is on the back in a trunk with 3 frozen Core Power 12 ounce bottles for cooling. My hub motor gets pretty warm to the touch , the controller does fine with the ice packs, otherwise it gets hot to the touch. Be glad when I can afford to upgrade both motor and controller to something bigger. Average speed is 21 mph, that's usually the speed on pedal assist. WOT is 33 on the flats, although if I use the throttle conservatively I can maintain 30 for quarter mile at a time on the flats.Still thinking about that Cyclone kit you have GW..... ride on safely gents

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                #37
                Originally posted by spinningmagnets View Post
                Green werks, this is very useful info. Can you imagine ever wanting more power, or would you say this combo is likely to be satisfying for the long term?

                If your motor is getting hot under your max loads, you might need to add some ferrofluid, or move up to a larger hubmotor. At the other end, if your motor is cold all the time, you may have chosen a model that is larger, heavier, and more expensive than you needed.

                Just warm, is just right.
                I would say this combo is likely to be very satisfying for the long term
                I am so grateful you wrote that revue on that motor that is what got me going on the whole thing
                The 1500w edge is awesome and running it at 2600w is totally awesome It is not quite warm you really have to feel it to find the warmth
                The sine wave controller set at 50 amps does the trick it is almost totally silent I like that it gets a little warm I might upgrade to a 18 fett so it will run cooler
                The luna 52v 24ah pack goes beyond my expectations it does not even get warm
                I like the three position switch mode one just a little over street legal mode two I never run it there mode three sometimes over 2600w
                mode 1 saves a lot of juice and hitting 20 mph is no problem but I like the 10 to 13 mph the best no wind noise relaxing very easy to handle
                if you need it hit mode 3 things change drastically the launch is hard and it unloads the front fork picks up speed quick and you really have to be up on your game
                40 mph on a mountain bike with hook worms on it can be intimidating but I guess I am just getting old 65 I use to get paid to go fast so I know what that is all about
                At this point in my life I just want to chill for a real long distance and have a long ride on a nice warm sunny day
                the four components together make's a awesome power system it has done everything that I have asked of it I feel lucky it worked out that way
                the bike weights in at 65 lb.
                I am 250 lb. total 315 lb.
                When I am just crus in I leave it in the low power mode
                When I need to climb a big steep hill I switch it into Hi power mode 2600w it will climb a steep grade at 20 mph using 2450 watts
                In the hi power mode on the flats if I need speed it will hit 40+ mph and in the citi you can cross a busy 4 lane intersection in the blink of a eye
                I have seen people take a double take when I take off and shoot across the intersection and I am not peddling
                The CA is very cool it tells you a lot it is nice to see in real time what the out put wattage is and the how many amps it is sucking
                I really need to find the time to go on a 50 mile run and see what kind of numbers it turns out
                my thoughts behind this build was if you want distance which I do, the speed and torque automatically come with it
                For a total investment of under 2k It brings a lot to the table and I sure like not having to shift.
                Thankx for your feed back through this build
                I will post up more data as I get it
                funny I love my Husqvarna SMR510 race bike but I have more fun on this little ebike funny how things change
                Peace.

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                  #38
                  Great post! I am very intrigued about your experiences with the Edge motor GW, I haven't tried one yet, I have used a Cro-Motor and MXUS 3000W so far, but your numbers, especially the Wh/Mile are very impressive, especially for a DD hub motor! Keep up the good work, thanks for sharing. : )

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by LI-ghtcycle View Post
                    Great post! I am very intrigued about your experiences with the Edge motor GW, I haven't tried one yet, I have used a Cro-Motor and MXUS 3000W so far, but your numbers, especially the Wh/Mile are very impressive, especially for a DD hub motor! Keep up the good work, thanks for sharing. : )
                    The whole thought behind the build was control the heat
                    from what the pros spinning magnets ykick and others that I have gotten info from have said heat is the enemy
                    so as I see it kill the heat kill the enemy
                    from the right up from spinning magnets I gathered this motor will handle the heat
                    second what has been said is use genuine 1410 fetts they run cooler
                    third get a battery that has balls and under normal use it wont get hot
                    and the luna cycle 52v24ah GA has balls I am totally sold it is the only battery up to this point that I would buy
                    stock up Luna
                    I figured that it would be a good combo to put together to beat the heat
                    forth the 52v 24ah GA puts out 50 amps continuous and 70 amps burst
                    so I set the controller and the CA to only allow 50 amps I don't need 70 amps
                    to do what I want
                    by keeping a lid on the amps it cuts down on more heat and the result is the
                    numbers that I am getting
                    a biggie is throttle control I am learning to increase WH mileage and still maintaining speed this way
                    by waiting on the motor to spin up instead of going balls to the wall if I give the motor time to spin up
                    slowly and reach a point where I can maintain speed by just feathering the throttle and coast
                    everything runs cooler and the WH per mile go down and this is accomplished all at zero to 1/4 throttle
                    using usually less that 250 watts and very little amps
                    ANd that's the way it went down
                    Last edited by Green Werks; 04-14-2017, 05:41 AM.

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                      #40
                      Does this have PAS? I keep having crazy thoughts. Like having a BBSHD and one of these on the same bike. BBSHD for regular pedaling /cruising and the Edge for regenerative braking and hand throttle.

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                        #41
                        C20 it has all the bells and whistles
                        pas re gen cruse but I don't use any of that
                        I found that I sucked up more juice on pas and re gen breaking cut down on my distance cause the benefits of coasting out weighted any re gen benefits that I got
                        but the regen makes great brakes but brake pads are a lot cheaper than batteries so I am coasting to increase mileage instead of trying to put back power to cover the distance
                        my gains are more by just coasting some one once said for every action there is a equal and opposite reaction
                        the only thing going into the controller is the CA on off switch and the mode switch
                        the throttle goes in the CA
                        when I Hooked up the mode switch to the CA it was funky and limited everything
                        by going into the controller and programing the controller's mode settings The results were much better
                        I had to optimize the CA throttle ramping and in out volts to have a quick clean throttle response
                        I am impressed with having the ability to tune the controller and get gains with improved settings
                        better suited for my weight and the terrain I operate in
                        I think your idea would be awesome it would be interesting to see how that much power would work out on the front
                        although I don't use any torque arms in the rear it is all in throttle control and the proper torque on the mounting nuts they have never backed off
                        In my other world my bread and butter is setting up EFI systems on motorcycles in other words I am a tuner
                        and it did not take long to see the similarities and in many ways the are the same
                        I cant take any credit for programing of the controller as much as I tried different settings the map that Alan created for the edge
                        works perfect with the Luna battery so I kept going back to his map and left more than well enough alone if it aint broke don't fix it
                        this is not to say that it will work in all applications cause like in motorcycle tuning no two bikes are the same but for my ebike it gets er done
                        so there ya have it.
                        Last edited by Green Werks; 04-14-2017, 07:22 AM.

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                        • calfee20
                          calfee20 commented
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                          The edge could still be in the rear. I assumed that regen would work like the civic hybrid I had. It was triggered from the brake light switch. So touch the brake pedal and then the regen would start otherwise you would just coast along. It would make no sense if these things won't coast.

                        #42
                        Nice! I do the same, throttle control is Key, I have got some pretty good numbers even on a long trip with a heavy Ebike (my stretched cruiser is 106 - 110lbs depending if I am using Cro-Motor or MXUS 3000w) and I have gotten as low as 9 Wh/Mile, but I average closer to 26 - 30 Wh/M when I am going fast and or carrying cargo with the trailer:









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                          #43
                          More pics of the cruiser on a trip to Portland:



                          About to head to work, this is the trailer I pull to work with all my tools (I need them portable to work on customer's ebikes at their location).



                          When I am not wanting something that big, and just want to go on a everyday bike ride, I take the Muddy Fox:



                          Love both bikes, the Muddy Fox is like my "sports car" and the cruiser is like a freight train, not as fast accelerating, but 40+ on the top end with a VERY comfortable riding position. Post some pics of your bike with the 1500 Edge! :D

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                            #44
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                            LI-ghtcycle those numbers and your bike is awesome put up some more shots of the motor and how it is mounted
                            is your battery in the traylor or is that it on the down tube what battery and controller do ya have
                            here is a shot of my bike with the edge
                            Last edited by Green Werks; 04-14-2017, 10:44 AM.

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                              #45
                              C20 mine was hooked up to the throttle when you cut the throttle the regen engages I also have a button that will engage it
                              I don't have any brake switches to cut the motor I ride it like a motorcycle the first thing I do before I hit the brakes is cut the power
                              I use a full twist motorcycle style throttle with a big return spring takes more pressure to turn than my motorcycle I just open my hand a little and it is off
                              since my brakes are set up like a motorcycle front on the right and rear on the left it is a non issue, for hard stops I always grab the rear first and then feather the front
                              we don't need no stinking brake switches
                              but during a coast test going down a straight and level track at the same speed in the same direction lets say for example we cut the throttle at a given point and we coast a 100 feet
                              with out regen, the test was done on the bike path and I picked out a tree to be my start point
                              then repeat the same test with regen and I would loose 25% in other words it would only coast for 75 feet before it would come to a stop
                              this is how mine worked any way the regen adds drag you can adjust how much regen you want but the more you add the faster it slows down
                              just for shits and grins I set it real hi and when I would hit the regen button it would squat like a female dog going pee pee
                              for me any way I opt for the distance and loose the drag and the extra heat generated by it
                              but that's not to say that some one else cant set it up to benefit them, my bike with the hook worms pumped to 65psi will coast a long way I like that
                              it lets things cool down, so far running out of battery with the mighty Luna 52v24ah GA is a non issue I should be a battery sales man for that battery
                              I truly believe it is the major ingredient for my set up I would say get a programmable controller and a CA and let er rip tatter chip
                              the more people doing this the more we will all find out whats up
                              I am no ebike expert I am just reporting what happens after I make changes the good the bad and the ugly
                              You know what a hill billy's famous last words are?
                              Hea yall watch dis
                              I can tell that joke cause of my Appalachian heritage, the first clue might be if you read my stuff it is obvious I cant wright or put together a proper sentence the correct way
                              I was horrible at school got kicked out my senior year missed 52 days my junior year was the only guy to graduate who's daughter came to see him graduate
                              back in 1970 I just try to do my best and have a good time
                              Peace.


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                              • calfee20
                                calfee20 commented
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                                That is the battery I am looking at or the 4x6X8 52 volt block that has been out of stock for quite a while.
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