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    Rohloff XL hub install on a Surly Wednesday

    I have the frame coming, any day! This will be my second Rohloff build, so not a total newbie. The Wednesday has slotted horizontal dropouts, and it looks like a I can use a QR type Rohloff after all (instead of the through axle version, which seem to be real hard to come by,) using these Surly Tuggnutts. https://www.google.com/search?q=Surl...hrome&ie=UTF-8

    You will notice, they also double as a bottle opener, very crafty folk, these Surly people. I should be picking up my frame very soon, maybe Wednesday appropriately enough, in a big time bike shop in SLC, whose owner seems to have some Rohloff knowledge of some sort. I will pick his brain and confirm that the Tuggnutts may be the easiest way for me to go.

    #2
    I just found this post, ( https://forums.mtbr.com/surly/ecr-rohloff-929251.htm ) looks like I'll be getting two Tuggnutts plus a heavy duty sort of custom skewer with an extra high clamping force, from Paul's Components. It's starting to come together!

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      #3
      Very interested in this project as I hope to add a Rohloff to my eSurly ECR someday -AND/OR- do a Trek 1120 or Stache Rohloff pedal build. Any QR Rohloff that is compatable with 12mm thru axle frame applications from 135mm to 148mm are of interest (I think there are 12mm washer spacers?). Anything you come across that will work with Trek’s “stranglehold” rear axle system for belt drive adjustment is of interest too. Thanks for posting this up!

      PS: Can’t get the MTBR link to work.
      2020 Banshee Paradox (pedal)...
      2018 eSurly ECR 5spd IGH 29+: https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...id-drive-build
      2016 Soma B-Side BD 3spd IGH (pedal): https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...v-custom-build
      2013 Niner Jet 9 (sold): https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...lectric-assist

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        #5
        I have my Wednesday frame in the shop, looks good! And also a few responses from a few online Rohloff sellers, that all see to offer, like LUNA, ONLY the CC version. I explained I want the TS version, and included a link to Rohloff's site that clearly explains the difference between the two versions. But only one seems to be interested in why they (365bikes) also don't offer the TS version, maybe it's just because the majority want the CC version, fair enough. But I asked them to get hold of whoever their wholesale source for the hubs is, and ask them direct, why the TS version seems to be made of unobtainium, though listed on the official Rohloff site! It's just odd that it would be so hard to find, I'm getting real curious for an explanation.

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          #6
          I just stumbled upon this, after I thought I had googled all possible combinations of SURLY, and ROHLOFF, this came up finally!https://surlybikes.com/blog/der_baro...von_moonlander VERY informative, all I need really, and note no mention is made of a threaded axle, just a high quality QR skewer seems to get the job done. This mean, since I've exhausted any other source of threaded axle R hubs (NO ONE sells them, no one, no I don't know why) I was within a few minutes of calling Cycle Monkey (since they didn't respond to 3 emails over the last week) and beg them for info on the threaded axle version. My fear was that they and they alone would have one, at a cost over $400.00 higher then the CC/QR version, and they would have me over the proverbial barrel. So now I am re ordering my original hub from Luna, I'd much rather give them my money then Cycle Monkey, I like Luna's attitude a whole better then the Monkey's, they are way too high end of a bike shop for me!

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            #7
            Glad you found your solution.

            In all your searching, did you ever get a sense of how the Bike Discount vendor (out of Germany) is to deal with?
            2nd build, 2018 Crust Scapegoat, BBS02 or BBSHD, Rohloff IGH
            3rd build, 2018 Crust Evasion step-thru, BBS02, Shimano Nexus INTER-3 IGH
            4th build, 2016 Salsa Marrakesh flatbar frameset, BBSHD, Alfine 8 IGH

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              #8
              I did, no response whatsoever from them, after two emails a few days apart. Their pricing was by far the best, but geez they need to work on their customer service just a tad. Customs duty can be significant also, plus shipping. I found this out when I bought a set of skis for my kitplane from a Canadian outfit. I'm thinking that would have brought the price up for what I paying LUNA for it.

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                #9
                I have some miles on the BBSHD/Wednesday/Rohloff combo now, 100+ miles of trail rides, and it has proven so far to be a great ride. No issues whatsoever. Riding with some friends who both have the latest wazoo Haibikes, on some pretty technical stuff, was a good test. It is so nice to come to an unexpected super steep section, that you couldn't see coming as it was behind a cork screwing switchback, and just instantly go to the proper gear with no typical derailleur BS. Most of the time I grab 2 to 4 gears at a time, but then there are the times when it's really nice to be able to just hit the next gear up or down, at least my range seems to be really good, as I'm riding real efficient most of the time. Snow is still melting on the higher elevations, where the real rough trails are, so these first few rides have been a good shake out to see how things would work, so far, great.

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                  #10


                  Hi CPG Do you have a phone number where I can contact you?

                  Bob
                  519-636-6636

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                    #11
                    Hey guys, I’m finally in the market for my first Rohloff Speedhub and need the one with 12mm X 148mm Boost through axle kit in 32H for my new Banshee Paradox hardtail build. The frame should arrive this month and I’ve already got a new WTB KOM Tough i40 29” rim for it. Plan to use Sapim Race spokes in a 2X pattern (all my research says to stick with only a 2X pattern for a Rohloff, I don’t know why?).

                    So, who is the cheapest “no VAT” retailer that will sell to me here in the US of A?
                    2020 Banshee Paradox (pedal)...
                    2018 eSurly ECR 5spd IGH 29+: https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...id-drive-build
                    2016 Soma B-Side BD 3spd IGH (pedal): https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...v-custom-build
                    2013 Niner Jet 9 (sold): https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...lectric-assist

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                      #12

                      Originally posted by Rider View Post
                      (all my research says to stick with only a 2X pattern for a Rohloff, I don’t know why?)
                      I think Rohloff recommends the 2X as it causes less spoke/nipple "off angle" at the rim. Shimano recommends it as well. Flange diameter ...

                      Rohloff also says to not cross over the cover screws, although it's apparently not the end of the world if you do. Radial spoking is definitely a no-no.

                      I don't know when one uses the flange bands (from the start or when the hub is relaced).

                      In the case of Rohloff, how many of these "thou shalts" are Teutonic witchcraft, who knows.

                      Originally posted by Rider View Post
                      So, who is the cheapest “no VAT” retailer that will sell to me here in the US of A?
                      Luna ;-) but not for the hub you want. For a Rohloff A12, I fear Cycle Monkey may be your only choice.
                      2nd build, 2018 Crust Scapegoat, BBS02 or BBSHD, Rohloff IGH
                      3rd build, 2018 Crust Evasion step-thru, BBS02, Shimano Nexus INTER-3 IGH
                      4th build, 2016 Salsa Marrakesh flatbar frameset, BBSHD, Alfine 8 IGH

                      Visit the forum knowledge base

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                        #13
                        Originally posted by ncrkd View Post

                        I think Rohloff recommends the 2X as it causes less spoke/nipple "off angle" at the rim. Shimano recommends it as well. Flange diameter ...
                        That makes sense. I guess my LBS didn’t know better when lacing up my huge diameter Sturmey-Archer 5-speed. I’ve suffered Velocity Dually rim failure at the spoke holes (aluminum cracking). It could be due to over tensioning or first lacing it up incorrectly with the wrong hole offsets to the opposite sides of the hub and running it that way before I noticed it, then having him re-lace it correctly; but the 3X lace may have contributed to the failure as well (?).

                        Originally posted by ncrkd View Post

                        Luna ;-) but not for the hub you want. For a Rohloff A12, I fear Cycle Monkey may be your only choice.
                        Monkey-man may be the best choice in the long run because of their experience with these quirky setups.

                        Preparing to bend over and walk in backwards with lubricant in hand...
                        Last edited by Rider; 1 week ago.
                        2020 Banshee Paradox (pedal)...
                        2018 eSurly ECR 5spd IGH 29+: https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...id-drive-build
                        2016 Soma B-Side BD 3spd IGH (pedal): https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...v-custom-build
                        2013 Niner Jet 9 (sold): https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...lectric-assist

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                        • ncrkd
                          ncrkd commented
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                          LOL - "Would you like some sand with your lubricant, sir? No extra charge!"

                        #14
                        In addition, I’m not understanding the real reason for the 3mm move inbound of the chain line and offset spoke lace to compensate for it with the 148mm Boost thru-axle model? IIRC they state it is due to shift linkage clearance. Not following the logic in that...

                        I want the end product to be interchangeable between the Banshee Paradox (12mm thru-axle) and the Surly ECR (12mm horizontal). IYHO is that doable?
                        Last edited by Rider; 1 week ago.
                        2020 Banshee Paradox (pedal)...
                        2018 eSurly ECR 5spd IGH 29+: https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...id-drive-build
                        2016 Soma B-Side BD 3spd IGH (pedal): https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...v-custom-build
                        2013 Niner Jet 9 (sold): https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...lectric-assist

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                        • ncrkd
                          ncrkd commented
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                          I've only glanced at the A12 setup - not for me. I'm sticking with 135mm till I can't no more. I've even eyed Rohloffing my Salsa, but Quicken just laughs.

                          Did you see the A12 "Measurement Kit" (https://www.rohloff.de/no_cache/en/s...4/backPID/a12/) - what's that about?
                          Last edited by ncrkd; 1 week ago.

                        • Rider
                          Rider commented
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                          “... 135mm til I can’t no more”

                          That’s where I’m at right now. Thru-axles are the MTB future. The huge Reach & Stack Banshee Paradox XL frame only comes in 12x148mm thru-axle. Lucky for me the Surly ECR vertical drops are 12mm (have to run special Surly spacers to run 9QR and 10mm) and are Rohloff compatible, so the A12 should fit my sports car and SUV.

                        • ncrkd
                          ncrkd commented
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                          Thru axles the future for MTB, yep, and maybe Kindernay too.

                          Rohloff is resting on the laurel pile, and perhaps the wave(?) of retro bike-spec sentiment out there, tha segment that wants rim brakes and friction shifters. It's fine.

                          That Banchee is beautiful, can't wait to aee it rollable.

                        #15
                        What are the blue collars for? Hope none of this mess is dropped when fixing a flat on the side of the road.

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                        Last edited by ncrkd; 1 week ago.
                        2nd build, 2018 Crust Scapegoat, BBS02 or BBSHD, Rohloff IGH
                        3rd build, 2018 Crust Evasion step-thru, BBS02, Shimano Nexus INTER-3 IGH
                        4th build, 2016 Salsa Marrakesh flatbar frameset, BBSHD, Alfine 8 IGH

                        Visit the forum knowledge base

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                        • Rider
                          Rider commented
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                          From what I can tell, the “Measurement Kit” is used to determine what components are needed for your particular frame application. The kit uses the frame thickness measurement at the axle to determine which thickness and axle type (red threaded -Paradox- or blue non-threaded -ECR-) 12mm diameter spacers to use.

                          I can’t do much until I receive my new frame. This will be a pedal bike, but it has a standard threaded bottom bracket and straight down tube if that changes with age. She’s going to be a beautiful mistress!

                          http://bansheebikes.com/paradox/
                          Last edited by Rider; 4 days ago.
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