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    Luna X2 Manual

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    WORK IN PROGRESS!!!

    Table of content:

    Specs and general info

    Setup

    Maintenance

    Information/manual on the Ludicrous V2 controller.

    Electrical Troubleshooting

    Mechanical troubleshooting

    Motor uninstall/install

    Mods / upgrades

    Replacing the main harness
    Last edited by Sebz; 03-08-2022, 07:41 PM.

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    Specs and General info:

    For specs please click here to be redirected to the product listing


    Shifting: Take care not to shift under load, especially if going up steep hills, as this can be hard on your cassette and chain. Let off the throttle, or the PAS, then shift.

    Display: It uses CANBus communication so it will not work with any BBSxx / Ultra series display it will only work with Canbus Displays. This display also has a USB port, a nice surprise. To change the basic settings of the display hold down + & -. To reset the trip odometer, select trip and hit + and - at the same time. Take care not to over tighten the mount on the display! * Odometer and trip do not work with the V2 controller. *The Canbus 860C color display does not work with the V2 controller

    There is a key to lock/unlock the battery from the frame. The position of the key does NOT affect power. Please note that we do not currently have spare keys so take care not to lose the key. We recommend to store the key at home in a safe place. Without the key you can not remove the battery.
    Please be careful when turning the key. It may make it drop out without much warning once you have turned the key, so be prepared for that by holding the battery as you turn the key.

    The battery is charged with a standard barrel. This means you can use something like the solderless barrel in conjunction with 48v Advanced Charger or 48v Mini to charge the bike if preferred over the included charger.

    This bike has a temp sensor and high temp cutoff to prevent damage to the motor/controller.
    At high temp it will scale back the power. If heat continues to rise, it will briefly shut down to protect the internals.

    The chainring of this bike is a standard 38T 4 bolt 104 BCD Narrow-Wide chainring (stock chain length is 116 links). As such there are many aftermarket rings available for it if you want to go with a larger chainring, 40T could fit depending on the brand you get. But 42T will be really close to rub on the chain stay so make sure to double check! You can change the chainring without removing the chainring spider.
    • Tapered steerer, 1.125 x 1.5 headset
    • Headset ZS44 and ZS56 (zero stack)
    • 31.8mm on the bars, with a length about 32"
    • Clamp on the stem is 31.8mm
    • Seatpost diameter 31.6mm
    • Head tube angle 66 degrees
    • Front fork travel (W/Rockshox) 150mm (6")
    • Rear wheel travel (W/Rockshox) 140mm (about 5.5")

    This info for those that ordered with X2 with V2 Ludicrous option only:

    Warning , Never use the VESC app from the PlayStore, only use the app linked in the Luna VESC manual , if you use the Playstore app so you can brick your controller (you will get error 30) then wont be able to use your bike for a while!

    If you have a Color 860C display the voltage reading will show 12V, and eventually throw you an error 30 and the fuel gauge (%) will blink empty. Only the original Bafang display works.
    Last edited by Sebz; 2 weeks ago.

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      Setup your bike:

      UPDATE: Bikes shipped after June 1st 2022 will no longer have the chrome switch connected to the battery. The only power button is the display control pad.

      If you want to know more you can click this link to see the video:



      Unboxing / Assembly

      This video covers the complete bike assembly
      Down below there are segments on a particular part or component to adjust or assemble, they are all mostly covered in this complete video.



      If you don't wanna watch this video and think you can do it all by your self you should still watch out for the wheel spacers and keys.
      Please don't loose your keys as we don't have a set of keys for the thousands of different lock barrel there is, if you loose them you will have to take the bike to a locksmith so he can re-key the lock. If you loose a spacer you will have to pay for them.


      Make sure to watch the videos carefully as we will not replace parts that you broke during the install/setup.



      How to adjust the dropper seat post
      I'm putting this one high on the list so you take a look at it before trying to pull on it.



      How to install the handlebar and stem



      How to fix your top cap if it's loose



      Tip on how to install the pedals



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      How to put the front wheel

      RockShox


      DNM

      Note: the video shows a KKE double crown fork but it's the same thing as a DNM fork found on your X2



      The spacers are the same on each side on the Rock Shox version, BUT are different on the DNM version . Don't remove the caliper black spacer until you are ready to put the front wheel in. The block is wider than the rotor so the wheel will fit in. If it does not fit that is because you depressed the lever before putting the wheel in. In this case you will have to spread the pads (Go to the mechanical troubleshooting for this procedure).

      For the DNM, it's an inverted fork so yes it's normal that the the 2 legs are turning and are not parallel, the reason is that one has the spring the other has the damper. You first put the axles in, tighten the 2 caps and at last to tighten the 4 set screws.

      How to install the wheel spacers on the DNM version






      Charging procedure:



      Check up

      After you put the front wheel on and adjusted the stem and put on the handle bars you still need to go over a few things before hitting the trails.

      I say it in the video but please make sure that the derailleur is adjusted correctly and that the derailleur hanger is straight. The bike did travel all around the globe so it's normal that the box was banged a little, there is protection for the derailleur but the hanger could be bent a little.. fixing it before your first ride is simple, but not after the derailleur miss shifts and and you end up damaging something.

      Also VERY important, please do not pull on the dropper, if the dropper wont go up then forcing it will result in a broken dropper and that is not covered under warranty, So if you want to extend it a little more please click this link and watch the videos




      Check the headset and top cap



      How to adjust the derailleur hanger

      This is the simple way, it's not perfect but will work, if you do need it perfect your local bike shop does have a tool to align it better!



      Tools

      What tools you need to setup your bike and to maintain it



      Display manual

      Here is a manual on how to use the M600 dashboard, just click on this link to open the manual. Thank you Brad for making it!

      How to adjust/setup your Suspension

      For DNM users you can use this video it explains everything you need to know

      ---------For the rear shock--------------------------------------- For the front fork which is a coil sprung model--------


      For Rockshox this video covers the shock and fork

      Attached Files
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        Maintenance section

        We have a bunch of cool videos on our Luna Cycle Repair and Maintenance Youtube channel, We cover suspension, brakes, derailleurs, hubs/freehubs adjustment, tips and trick Click here to be redirected to YouTube


        Replacement brake pads
        Kool Stop makes good pads for the DNM version of this bike (which typically use Dominion brakes, if yours do not this may not apply)
        Link to replacement pads

        Weatherproofing?
        Even if you seal the motor it would never be enough, that applies to all motors. If you seal up the motor (taking it apart, adding RTV gasket maker and such) the motor will still get hot and when you dip it in water it will cool down fast, and the air will do the same inside. When the air gets hot it expands, it creates pressure inside the motor and air will find its way out as it's not a pressurized canister and then when the air cool down rapidly the air molecule will get smaller and that creates a vacuum. That vacuum will suck air in and will pull humidity and water in the motor VIA the weakest point in the motor which is the bearings and the gaskets. So you will still end up with humidity and water inside eventually. So best way to prevent that is to avoid dipping the motor into water! The only way to have a waterproof motor would be to coat the winding with varnish and also coat the controller in conformal coating and use grease that does not mix with water.
        During cold weather riding (or simply in heavy rains) this effect can happen without even dipping the motor, it can happen because snow will get on top of the motor and melt with the warm motor and then cool down again and will suck water in.

        So what can you do? for starters if you must ride near water/snow and suck best would be to grease the outer bearings so no water will get sucked through them, make sure that the controller is bolted to the motor. Then once in a while open up the motor and clean it and grease it, that will help quite a lot . We have videos in this section (click here)

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        Here at Luna we believe in dielectric grease, you should use it on exposed contacts like the 4 main power terminals of the battery and the cradle and on the XT60, no need for a lot, just a thin layer is enough! The main harness connection are already watertight so if you must add, you can just put it on the outer rim so it will seal it up just fine, if some got on the pins it's fine, no worries there! Maybe just don't pack the inside full of it as it will make a mess , and since it's already watertight it will create pressure inside and it can disconnect ... and likely end up with a bad connection as the connector becomes looser over time.

        Do not put some on the 2 round pins on the battery cradle, this will make the pin sticky and mixed with dust it will likely end up with intermittent shutdowns, For these I'd recommend to clean them every few rides so they stay springy and make good contact, brake cleaner is fine.
        Last edited by Sebz; 4 weeks ago.

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          #5
          Electrical troubleshooting

          This section is where you need to start if you have an X2 bike. You can also start with the Main M600 troubleshooting page but it's not a big deal if you start from here you will be redirected to the M600 page at the bottom of this page, once you are on the M600 page you will have to just skip the Step #2.

          Motor/display does not power up?

          Step 1 Battery bypass:

          You can bypass the battery with the charger, so make sure that the battery is inside the frame, then power the battery by pressing the side chrome switch, plug the charger into the wall outlet then on the frame charge port. Once you have the charger plugged in (either charging or not depending on the state of charge) try to power the display. If it does not power up by pressing the OFF/OFF button on the control pad for 3-4 seconds, press and hold the "-" button for 3-4 seconds, if it still does not work then you likely have a wiring or controller issue. Please continue with the next steps.

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          Step 2 Measuring the voltage from the battery.

          The X2 (same as Z1) is different than a X1 or a normal generic battery as the battery is turned off once you get it out of the frame, there are not gauge or switch to turn it on. Please watch this video


          NOTE: The battery in sleep mode can show you something close to 0V, like a 0.5V or it can also show you a 47V like the one in the video. Either way you cannot measure voltage off the battery terminals! You must measure it like shown in the video!



          If you don't get a normal voltage from the XT60 with the chrome switch pushed ON, either 0V or a much lower voltage then what you measured when you plugged in the charger, then scroll down below to the advanced toubleshooting page where we would test the power switch.



          IF you do have the correct voltage then go to sep General


          Step #3

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          Ludicrous V2 subsection:

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          We have a dedicated forum thread just for the controller with a complete manual and troubleshooting guide. You can also post and ask questions on that thread.

          Do not open up the motor or remove the controller, you will void the warranty, please get an approval from either the support lead tech or the manager.


          Support note on the V2 Bluetooth antenna range:

          Range is very limited , so the phone need to be near the controller or in direct line of sight, at best you can have your cell phone mounted on the right part of the handlebars if you move the antenna out a little like this. Use a little tooth pick to pull the antenna out, be gentle do not pull on the wire and do not bend it more than this!


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          For any motor related electrical issues please click here to be redirected to the M600 page

          For a manual on the Ludicrous V2 controller please click here
          Last edited by Sebz; 05-19-2022, 01:59 PM.

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            Electrical troubleshooting part 2:

            Specific troubleshooting for the Luna X2

            This next part is for the bikes shipped before June 1st 2022, all bikes shipped after that do not have the chrome switch hooked up.

            If you have a low voltage coming from the battery after measuring it like step#2 (anything under 40V down to 0V) then you need to test the power switch:



            How the switch works:



            So the way to fix this is to bypass the whole chrome switch assembly inside the battery

            How do you bypass the switch?

            2 ways, mine or the shop mechanic.. we have 2 videos on that:




            it's really a matter of minutes.. and you can use a wire crimp that don't need to skin the wires.. you just cut the 2 wires slip the connector in and crimp it with any plier like I did on my video.. it's simpler and also makes a better connection. This is what I used.


            White phone crimps, click here

            If you need to replace the frame mounted charge port:





            If you still get shutdowns while riding and it does happen on an big impact it could be that battery moving in the cradle

            please take a look at this video to fix it :

            Last edited by Sebz; 2 weeks ago.

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              #7
              Motor Removal:

              Click this link to be redirected to the M600 page, we have 3 videos on that topic

              Don't try to open your motor up and fix it you can do more harm than good, email us instead.
              Last edited by Sebz; 05-02-2022, 03:12 PM.

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                #8
                Mechanical issues

                If you have motor issues, don't try to open your motor up and fix it you can do more harm than good, email us instead.

                Dropper seat post issues:





                Squeaking suspension :


                Brake issues:

                Spreading the pads



                Letting air out (AKA burping)



                Flushing out the air (AKA purging air)


                How to fix your top cap if it's loose



                Or


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                Last edited by Sebz; 05-25-2022, 01:38 PM.

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                  #9
                  Add-ons / Upgrades:



                  Chain guide,

                  if you often get chain drops you can fix this for a few buck, it's not the best out there that is for sure but for under 10$ it's a bargain.

                  This is the the guide I got, you can find them on Amazon too : Ztto Chain guide for Bafang

                  The bolts included are too big you will need to get M4X8 and washers. Check if they fit properly, clean the treads if you got crud in the bolt holes

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                  Add a washer because the M4 bolt head it too small, add loctite (blue stuff) and tighten them up!

                  Note that the bottom left picture is not how the guide should be, you will have to adjust it back and forth so the nut on the back of the plastic guide does not hit the carbon frame. Then once the angle of the bracket is ok you can adjust the plastic guide up and down and angled it correctly. You can bend the bracket left and right incase you get rubbing in either top or low gears.
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                  Aftermarket cranks

                  The chart below covers the different type of cranks commonly found.
                  This can help determine which ones have cross compatibility with other models, i.e. M800 and M500 cranks would also work on this M600 motor
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                  So to recap, this motor uses a special spline that is exclusive to Bafang M5/600 line up. So the aftermarket models are not easy to find.

                  But if you do need shorter ones we do sell the 150mm short cranks that are nice to have if doing lots of intense trail riding.

                  http://​​​​​​​https://lunacycle.com/luna-x1-and-x2...rt-crank-arms/

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                    place holder
                    Last edited by Sebz; 03-07-2022, 09:06 AM.

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                      Replacing the main harness

                      First you will need a new harness (Click here) and you will need to remove the motor and the battery (Click here to remove the motor click here )

                      Then watch these 3 videos:

                      Part one



                      Part two



                      Part three

                      Last edited by Sebz; 03-07-2022, 09:06 AM.

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