Luna X-1 Enduro FS ebike

[paxtana]

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These bikes have begun to ship so this thread will be updated on an ongoing basis



Unboxing:

Before you go out riding please make sure that you installed your wheel spacers, they go on each side of the hub.



General info
Display is a special display that works only with this bike, no other display will work for it. It uses CAN communication so it will not work with any BBSxx / Ultra series display.
This display also has a USB port, a nice surprise. To change the basic settings of the display hold down + & -.

There is a key to lock/unlock the battery from the frame. The position of the key does NOT affect power. Please note that we do not currently have spare keys so take care not to lose the key.
We recommend to store the key at home in a safe place. Without the key you can not remove the battery.
Please be careful when turning the key. It may make it drop out without much warning once you have turned the key, so be prepared for that by holding the battery as you turn the key.

Rear sprocket has 12 gears but is limited out so only 11 are used, as the 12th gear may skip due to chainline. You can adjust this to use this gear by changing the limit screw on the derailer but please note it will make it intermittently a bit noisy in this gear.

The battery is charged with a standard barrel.
This means you can use something like the solderless barrel in conjunction with 48v Advanced Charger or 48v Mini to charge the bike if preferred over the included charger.

This bike has a temp sensor and high temp cutoff to prevent damage to the motor/controller.
At high temp it will scale back the power. If heat continues to rise, it will briefly shut down to protect the internals.

The chainring of this bike is a standard 32T 4 bolt 104 BCD Narrow-Wide chainring. As such there are many aftermarket rings available for it if you want to go with a larger chainring, 38T will fit, 40T could fit depending on the brand you get. But 42T will likely rub on the chain stay! You can change the chainring without removing the chainring spyder. A 38t will raise the top speed to around 28mph

Combining the front 32T and the 11T rear you should be able to reach close to 22mph at over 100rpm (crank rotation), See below spreadsheet of the speed in each gear VS various cadence RPM

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Troubleshooting
Green harness wire that goes into the back of the display needs to be shoved in really hard (triangle shaped higo), if you are having trouble turning it on be sure to check this and the other connectors.



Additionally, check the connectors as they exit the motor housing (see below for a picture)

The on off button on the remote needs to be held really long time at the remote. The on/off button is on the right next to the grip, near the +/- and this button needs to be held down a fairly long time, more than 5 seconds.

Make sure the button on the battery has been pressed so the battery is ON.

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This is the battery, showing a standard led power readout, on/off button, and barrel charge port.

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The bare motor.

Removing the motor is pretty easy, no special tools required.
Remove bash guard (4x hex bolts )
Remove plastic cover on non drive side (3x torx bolts T10)
Remove chainring bolts (not necessary to remove spyder )
Remove the 3 mounting bolts (5mm hex and 10mm socket.
Motor will drop down . ( 3 plugs go into the side of motor)




The connectors directly on the bare motor. Check the connection here during troubleshooting in addition to the harness.

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DISPLAY


This is the selector on the handlebars. Hold down power button for 5 seconds to turn on.




Here is a manual on how to use the M600 dashboard, just click on this link to open the manual. Thank you Brad for making it!

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Advanced controller programming:

This drive cannot be programmed like the other Bafang mid-drives unfortunately. It uses the Bafang dealer tool called the BESST. If you get your hand on it with a dealer license you can but you wont be able to change anything as you would need the firmware file. So don't buying one!

Also changing the controller will require a BESST tools with dealer access to calibrate the new controller to the motor

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Customer reviews and unboxing videos:


Dan's unboxing:

Brad's unboxing:

Brad's dropper seat post fix :

Brad's size comparison to a 26" standard MTB

Dan's noise testing

Dan's friend test ride

*Staff note: the videos we linked are from some customers of ours (Dan and Brad), they were not paid or asked to do this, we simply reached out to him to ask permission after the videos were posted on youtube.

[jmbach]

Any idea when these will be open for orders again?

[paxtana]

Probably about a week

[paxtana]

Orders are open again. Heads up it won't ship for couple weeks from now though.

[Ken473]

Are the directions for programming the display anywhere?
Need to change from kmph to mph.

TIA

[Tigweld]

I didn’t find documentation but if you hold down + & - until you get the setting screen. i got mine into settings to adjust to imperial.

[Sebz]

added! thank you Tigweld

[Ken473]

Thank you, Tigweld!

[Tigweld]

I received my bike two nights ago(XL standard output with throttle) and have done about 30miles of road tests (dirt test will be Saturday).
Here is what I have seen and tried so far:
- front ring is 32t: I tried swapping up to a 44 and it's too big and will hit rear swing arm. A 40t ring fits and I have not tried a 42.
- AI sensitivity setting: I have tried every setting between 0-5 and I don't feel any difference. But I'm not sure what difference I'm looking for? Any ideas?
- Moderate pedaling on flat in top gear with 32t is only getting me 18mph

Dirt test results:
- This thing is a mountain goat.
- While I would love ludicrous mode to unleash all it's power, I can say if you are looking for a solid eduro mtn bike with more power than any Trek, Specialized, etc. you have found a great bike to by.
- 4k ft of climbing on two rides was *gasp Fun. I climbed stuff I didn't feel confident descending. That is a first.

[Robocam]

Yes, it was announced in the Facebook group.

[bl2000watts]

Tigweld did you find your bike noisy?

[Robocam]

I just got mine. It is not loud at all. It’s not silent like my BBSHD or Ultra but it’s definitely not loud.

[Robocam]

Will derailleur hangers be available for purchase, and/or where can we buy them?

[paxtana]

Yes we have some on order and will be making them available.

[tomdav]

This bike is marketed as silent. Mine seems pretty loud.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4Fz8ouCAQ8

Is this normal? Any way to make it quieter? Or is this a consequence of the steel gears?

[paxtana]

For what it's worth it does not seem abnormally loud compared to the couple other m600 motor videos I have seen so far where there was something obviously wrong. No mid drive is ever going to be completely silent, especially if it is modded with steel gear internals and a decent power level. The feedback is appreciated and I will look into revising the wording to something more realistic.

I do not believe the shop will have more of these for another couple of weeks, but if you don't mind waiting then it may be possible to swap. We would need to check and get back to you. Probably best to have this escalated to either Seb or myself (Gary) if you speak with support.

[tomdav]

Thanks, I sent an email to you. Let me know if you did not get it.

[Tigweld]

That matches the sound I hear.
Silent it is not. I'm about 150miles in now and it has either got a bit quieter or I have gotten used to it. I can live with it.
Sound is not the only thing that is different to the bbs02. It has taken a while to get used to how/when etc. the power comes on in comparison to the bbs02. More natural once you get used to it.

[JimmyN]

Is the Ludicrous controller internally mounted like the stock controller? how long has it been in use on the M600?

[paxtana]

It is internally mounted same as stock.

[joaklay]

I received my X-1 last night, assembled, charged and test rode it around the neighborhood. Mine has the optional ludicrous mode but I have yet to figure out how to engage that option. Anyone?
So far, top speed, top gear, level 5 assist, motor only (throttle lever, not pedaling) is 24 mph on a flat road. I'd think that it should go faster?
Also, what does the lever above the throttle lever do? Doesn't seem to do anything yet.

[tomdav]

I believe that would be the seat dropper.

[paxtana]

Ludi doubles current, it is always on. The bike is intentionally geared for mountains by default. If you want more speed you will want to gear it up. It uses stock chainrings 4 bolt 104 BCD, a common BCD so it is easy to swap to different rings.

[New Mariner]

A 40T crank gear would improve your top end speed. Possibly a 42T may fit?. It is not set up to use the 11T. You would have to change that.

[Scoonie]

I wonder if tomdav missed any forum posting complaints about the noise. Jeezus dude! It’s not that loud.

[New Mariner]

If it is noisy, he should be sharing that to different forums. If his is a one off of noise someone else should post a video that shows a quieter motor. People are just sharing information. At least he didn't share it around without a video supporting his statement..

[Scoonie]

Why not take issues to the builder and come to a resolution with them. The net effect is dissing a maker before they can respond. Go visit a local sound company and get a dB rating. Anyone doing a modicum of research can learn metal gears in motors raising the sound level. Luna is creative but not magicians.

[tomdav]

Well, I did post here. And if you note in paxtans's reply above, they don't have much they can recommend at this point. It's not as if me telling people the motor is loud is going to hurt Luna's sales. My guess is they will sell out immediately as soon as the bike is offered again and if they continue to market it as silent they will have folks like me who are disappointed.

EDIT: I now believe my motor is abnormal based on feedback from Kepler. See here:

https://endless-sphere.com/forums/vi...00562#p1500560

[joaklay]

Does anyone here know how I can tell if my bike does have the ludicrous programming, like a version # or something in settings?

[paxtana]

Put a wattmeter in line with discharge. If wattmeter shows double what the display is reporting then you have ludi

[Robocam]

Where would be the best place to cut the power line to install a meter?

[paxtana]

You can put a watt meter in line of the xt60 by the motor, just remove the plastic cover on non drive side it has 3 t10 bolts

[joaklay]

OK, update: I just found out that by pressing the on/offf button (once turned on), it cycles through several items and shows wattage too. No need for a meter, etc.

Another discovery, my bike was only showing 5 levels of assist. You can change that to 9, so now it shows 9 when pressing the up button. Should make a difference so IF it ever stops raining here, I'll take it out again.

[paxtana]

It's not really that simple if you want to determine if you have ludi. Ludicrous on X1 is the same as the ludi bbshd controllers we make. It works by basically tricking the controller into doubling the current. Actual wattage readings from a wattmeter will be double whatever the display is reporting at any given time, because the display is taking those wattage readings from what the controller is reporting.

[New Mariner]

https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...4275#post94275 I hope that Luna will swap out a motor for you since yours apparently is abnormal? Did Keppler ever confirm that his motor had steel gears? Looking forward to his grease story when he opens it up. Appreciate your honest updates. I originally had ordered one because it was supposed to be quiet and canceled when it was said that Ludicrous would come without throttle. With no upgrade possible coming straight from CS email. it does not appear really loud, but it is not quiet either

[tomdav]

Luna said the shop had tested 50 of them and they were all like mine, even the demo bike, somewhere between BBSHD and Cyclone in terms of noise. Given that, they could not exchange a motor since the one they send would not be any different. Sounds like they are testing different greases. I agree with Kepler that the noise seems less as the motor breaks in. Still more than I'm happy with but may not be that bothersome to others.

[New Mariner]

A well greased BBSHD is virtually silent. That was the noise level anticipated. Their ad said quiet. No video, no reports about noise level, i guess they were doing everything possible to reduce the noise level before giving out more info. It is an awesome bike, but not silent enough when you are riding around all non electrics.

[Robocam]

Where is the power level screw located on the Ludicrous model?

[JimmyN]

Any idea when these will be open for orders again?

So any day now?

[paxtana]

It is open for ordering now.

[steelersmb]

I just put my bike together. Does anyone know what the switch next to the throttle does? I haven't had a chance to ride mine yet but was just wondering.

[Tigweld]

that is the dropper post lever. Putting pressure down on the seat(by sitting or pushing with hand) and hitting the button will lower the seat. Releasing weight and hitting the button allows the seat to raise. Pretty standard on modern mtn bikes.