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    Luna X-1 Enduro FS ebike MANUAL

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    Unboxing & assembly:

    This bike is shipped in a box so some assembly required. If you are unsure on how to assemble the bike and also setup it up (checking the fork and shock pressure and adjusting the derailleur) you can watch the 2 unboxing videos we linked or you can also go to your local bike shop to have it assembled and setup for you.

    Please make sure that you installed your wheel spacers, they go on each side of the hub. Pre2021 bikes have 2 different spacers so make sure to install them on the right side. 2021+ bikes have 2 identical spacers.
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    WARNING:

    Like any bike, NEVER use a power washer EVER (not even a jet on a garden hose). Never spray water on hubs, pivots and motor, hand wash only and rinse it with a spray bottle or weak rain type of jet from your garden hose. Never submerge the motor or battery in water. In fact we recommend you to only wash it using a rag and a water spray bottle that is it. Even with good care chances are that you will get some squeaks eventually so don't be afraid of lubing the pivots

    Get yourself a bottle of tri-flow oil and put some onto your frame pivots and also the motor spindle seals to avoid squeaks and creaks.

    https://streamable.com/3pqg58


    BEFORE RIDING
    1. Charge your battery fully, let it rest for one hour.
    2. Go over all the bolts before your first ride, especially the axle bolts, headset , stem & top cap Click here to see how to adjust the headset & stem. Also make sure to tighten the rear axle, see if the nuts at both ends of the axles are tight and that there is no play (side to side) on the cassette. if unsure please watch this video, it shows at the beginning the 2 nuts that keeps the axle/hub assembly together : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf_K...ature=emb_logo
    3. Check if both brakes work fine and if the pads don't rub too much on the disks. If the brakes are spongy or if you have too much drag you will have to so a brake adjustment or bleeding.
    4. Check the tire pressure, too low and you can pinch the tube or rip the valve off due to slippage. Too much pressure and it wont ride good off road.
    5. Move over to the rear and check if the rear axle is solid & suspension components are secured. If the rear shock is loose t then you much tighten the nut to the torque spec (it's written on the nut)
    6. Check Spoke tension and recheck them after a few rides, they can come loose and you can rip nipples out of the rim or worst. If unsure how to properly tighten spokes and true a wheel, please take the wheel to a trusted local bike shop.
    7. Check the front fork and rear shock, verify that it has proper sag, if not add or remove air in them.


    General info


    Shifting: Take care not to shift under load, especially if going up steep hills, as this can be hard on your cassette and chain. Let off the throttle, or the PAS, then shift.

    Display is a special display that works only with this bike, no other display will work for it. It uses CAN communication so it will not work with any BBSxx / Ultra series display. This display also has a USB port, a nice surprise. To change the basic settings of the display hold down + & -. To reset the trip odometer, select trip and hit + and - at the same time. Take care not to over tighten the mount on the display!

    There is a key to lock/unlock the battery from the frame. The position of the key does NOT affect power. Please note that we do not currently have spare keys so take care not to lose the key. We recommend to store the key at home in a safe place. Without the key you can not remove the battery.
    Please be careful when turning the key. It may make it drop out without much warning once you have turned the key, so be prepared for that by holding the battery as you turn the key.

    Rear sprocket has 12 gears but is limited out so only 11 are used, as the 12th gear may skip due to chainline. You can adjust this to use this gear by changing the limit screw on the derailer but please note it will make it intermittently a bit noisy in this gear.

    The battery is charged with a standard barrel. This means you can use something like the solderless barrel in conjunction with 48v Advanced Charger or 48v Mini to charge the bike if preferred over the included charger.

    This bike has a temp sensor and high temp cutoff to prevent damage to the motor/controller.
    At high temp it will scale back the power. If heat continues to rise, it will briefly shut down to protect the internals.

    The chainring of this bike is a standard 32T 4 bolt 104 BCD Narrow-Wide chainring (stock chain length is 116 links). As such there are many aftermarket rings available for it if you want to go with a larger chainring, 38T will fit, 40T could fit depending on the brand you get. But 42T will be really close to rub on the chain stay so make sure to double check! You can change the chainring without removing the chainring spyder. A 38t will raise the top speed to around 28mph.

    Stock chain is 116 links
    If you install a Luna 42T 104 BCD ring you will need a new 126 link chain.

    Tapered steerer, 1.125 x 1.5 headset
    Headset ZS44 and ZS56 (zero stack)
    31.8mm on the bars, with a length about 32"
    Clamp on the stem is 31.8.
    Seatpost diameter 31.6

    Combining the front 32T and the 11T rear you should be able to reach close to 22mph at over 100rpm (crank rotation), see below spreadsheet of the speed in each gear VS various cadence RPM. So if you bought this bike for speed rather than Enduro (its intended purpose) then you will probably want to swap to a larger chainring!

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    DISPLAY

    DPC-240

    (Note for folks that ordered with the high performance ludicrous option: as with all luna ludicrous mods the display will show wattage as half of actual. If you want a accurate wattage reading, wire in a watt meter as demonstrated here)

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    The red arrow points toward the power button. Hold down for 5 seconds to turn on.

    Here is a manual on how to use the M600 dashboard, just click on this link to open the manual. Thank you Brad for making it!


    Optional 860C color display

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    Please click link to be redirected to the product listing for more info

    Video walkthrough



    TROUBLESHOOTING: Please click the following links

    BASIC Troubleshooting (M600 Motor & battery related)

    Advanced troubleshoot (X1 Battery related)

    How to remove the M600 motor


    Replacing the X1 main harness:

    With the motor fully removed ,carefully tie dental floss or a used shifter/brake cable (or any flexible small cable) to old harness at display / throttle plug , pull from bottom and remove old harness leaving guide wire in the frame . Carefully tape or tie guide wire to new display /throttle plug and push / pull gently til plugs come out of hole, be careful not to pull too hard. The junction where the throttle /display split it too big to fit thru frame hole so it stays inside the frame.



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    New M600 main harness

    Maintenance & mechanical troubleshooting

    Rear wheel maintenance

    The rear hub is adjustable so it must be maintanced every couplle hundred miles, if you forgot and your rear wheel or rear hub feels loose or rear wheel is wobbly (again not a slight play but loose and wobbling) Or maybe the thru-axle does not full thread in, don't panic and watch this video, it's just likely the cone nut on the disk side that gotten loose. And while you're at it inspect the inside of the hub and bearings. If you rode the bike for too long with a loose axle then it's possible that you damaged the freehub or even the hub itself.



    For newer bikes (Galaxy paint mid-2021+) the rear hub is non adjustable.

    Newer hub design

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    As you can see the inner axle (not to be confused with the thru-axle) is held in place by the 2 bearings so in order to remove it you need to remove the bearing. So Do not try to remove the axle unless you need to service/replace the bearings. If you need to replace them you can just use a non-marring mallet to tap the axle out from the cassette side, the bearing will pop right off, then put back the axle in the hub and use the mallet again to pop the other bearing.


    Headset is loose, fork rattles and/or and cannot tighten the top cap more?:

    The X1 does not use a a standard star nut pressed into the fork steerer tube, it uses an expansion plug (AKA wedge plug or compression plug). Over time the wedge nut can loosen and move up the steerer tube. All you need to do is to adjust it a little down further.

    Instead or explaining how these work and how to adjust it and tighten the headset just watch one of these 2 videos that explains how to adjust it. It will fix your issue!!!





    Suspension pivots are squeaking

    Get yourself a bottle of tri-flow oil and put some onto your frame pivots and also the motor spindle seals to avoid squeaks and creaks.

    Watch this quick video on how to do it



    IF you need to take out the lower shock mount to clean and lube it this is how it's assembled, the numbers are just incase you need to order one, you can let us know the # you need.

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    Advanced controller programming:

    This drive cannot be programmed like the other Bafang mid-drives unfortunately. It uses the Bafang dealer tool called the BESST. IT can only can flash a new firmware, calibrate a controller and change a couple minor settings

    Also changing the controller will require a BESST tools with dealer access to calibrate the new controller to the motor

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    CLICK THE PICTURE TO GET THE ONLINE TUTURIAL ON HOW TO USE IT


    Customer reviews and unboxing videos:

    (please note early adopters had some included swag as a thank you; tshirt, bottle, handwritten thank you etc. This is not something currently included with later production runs)

    Dan's unboxing:

    Support notes: in Dan's video were he install the right pedal he says turn counter clockwise... it's not counterclockwise but clockwise like he did on the video!



    Brad's unboxing:



    Brad's dropper seat post fix :



    Brad's size comparison to a 26" standard MTB



    Dan's noise testing



    Dan's friend test ride



    *Staff note: the videos we linked are from some customers of ours (Dan and Brad), they were not paid or asked to do this, we simply reached out to him to ask permission after the videos were posted on youtube.

    Mods

    This is a 3D printable mount for Upstand or Corki bike stand
    Last edited by Sebz; 04-17-2023, 08:30 AM.

    #2
    Any idea when these will be open for orders again?

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    • paxtana
      paxtana commented
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      Probably about a week

    • paxtana
      paxtana commented
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      Orders are open again. Heads up it won't ship for couple weeks from now though.

    #3
    Are the directions for programming the display anywhere?
    Need to change from kmph to mph.

    TIA

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    • Tigweld
      Tigweld commented
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      I didn’t find documentation but if you hold down + & - until you get the setting screen. i got mine into settings to adjust to imperial.
      Last edited by Tigweld; 09-25-2019, 07:51 AM.

    • Sebz
      Sebz commented
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      added! thank you Tigweld

    • Ken473
      Ken473 commented
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      Thank you, Tigweld!

    #4
    I received my bike two nights ago(XL standard output with throttle) and have done about 30miles of road tests (dirt test will be Saturday).
    Here is what I have seen and tried so far:
    - front ring is 32t: I tried swapping up to a 44 and it's too big and will hit rear swing arm. A 40t ring fits and I have not tried a 42.
    - AI sensitivity setting: I have tried every setting between 0-5 and I don't feel any difference. But I'm not sure what difference I'm looking for? Any ideas?
    - Moderate pedaling on flat in top gear with 32t is only getting me 18mph

    Dirt test results:
    - This thing is a mountain goat.
    - While I would love ludicrous mode to unleash all it's power, I can say if you are looking for a solid eduro mtn bike with more power than any Trek, Specialized, etc. you have found a great bike to by.
    - 4k ft of climbing on two rides was *gasp Fun. I climbed stuff I didn't feel confident descending. That is a first.
    Last edited by Tigweld; 10-02-2019, 11:28 AM. Reason: update from dirt testing

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    • Robocam
      Robocam commented
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      Yes, it was announced in the Facebook group.

    • bl2000watts
      bl2000watts commented
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      Tigweld did you find your bike noisy?

    • Robocam
      Robocam commented
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      I just got mine. It is not loud at all. It’s not silent like my BBSHD or Ultra but it’s definitely not loud.

    #5
    Will derailleur hangers be available for purchase, and/or where can we buy them?

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    • paxtana
      paxtana commented
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      Yes we have some on order and will be making them available.

    #6
    This bike is marketed as silent. Mine seems pretty loud.

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    Is this normal? Any way to make it quieter? Or is this a consequence of the steel gears?

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    • paxtana
      paxtana commented
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      For what it's worth it does not seem abnormally loud compared to the couple other m600 motor videos I have seen so far where there was something obviously wrong. No mid drive is ever going to be completely silent, especially if it is modded with steel gear internals and a decent power level. The feedback is appreciated and I will look into revising the wording to something more realistic.

      I do not believe the shop will have more of these for another couple of weeks, but if you don't mind waiting then it may be possible to swap. We would need to check and get back to you. Probably best to have this escalated to either Seb or myself (Gary) if you speak with support.

    • tomdav
      tomdav commented
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      Thanks, I sent an email to you. Let me know if you did not get it.

    • Tigweld
      Tigweld commented
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      That matches the sound I hear.
      Silent it is not. I'm about 150miles in now and it has either got a bit quieter or I have gotten used to it. I can live with it.
      Sound is not the only thing that is different to the bbs02. It has taken a while to get used to how/when etc. the power comes on in comparison to the bbs02. More natural once you get used to it.
      Last edited by Tigweld; 10-02-2019, 12:16 PM.

    #7
    Is the Ludicrous controller internally mounted like the stock controller? how long has it been in use on the M600?

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    • paxtana
      paxtana commented
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      It is internally mounted same as stock.

    #8
    I received my X-1 last night, assembled, charged and test rode it around the neighborhood. Mine has the optional ludicrous mode but I have yet to figure out how to engage that option. Anyone?
    So far, top speed, top gear, level 5 assist, motor only (throttle lever, not pedaling) is 24 mph on a flat road. I'd think that it should go faster?
    Also, what does the lever above the throttle lever do? Doesn't seem to do anything yet.

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    • tomdav
      tomdav commented
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      I believe that would be the seat dropper.
      Last edited by tomdav; 09-29-2019, 12:18 AM.

    • paxtana
      paxtana commented
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      Ludi doubles current, it is always on. The bike is intentionally geared for mountains by default. If you want more speed you will want to gear it up. It uses stock chainrings 4 bolt 104 BCD, a common BCD so it is easy to swap to different rings.

    • New Mariner
      New Mariner commented
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      A 40T crank gear would improve your top end speed. Possibly a 42T may fit?. It is not set up to use the 11T. You would have to change that.

    #9
    I wonder if tomdav missed any forum posting complaints about the noise. Jeezus dude! It’s not that loud.

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    • New Mariner
      New Mariner commented
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      If it is noisy, he should be sharing that to different forums. If his is a one off of noise someone else should post a video that shows a quieter motor. People are just sharing information. At least he didn't share it around without a video supporting his statement..

    • Scoonie
      Scoonie commented
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      Why not take issues to the builder and come to a resolution with them. The net effect is dissing a maker before they can respond. Go visit a local sound company and get a dB rating. Anyone doing a modicum of research can learn metal gears in motors raising the sound level. Luna is creative but not magicians.

    • tomdav
      tomdav commented
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      Well, I did post here. And if you note in paxtans's reply above, they don't have much they can recommend at this point. It's not as if me telling people the motor is loud is going to hurt Luna's sales. My guess is they will sell out immediately as soon as the bike is offered again and if they continue to market it as silent they will have folks like me who are disappointed.

      EDIT: I now believe my motor is abnormal based on feedback from Kepler. See here:

      I've been following various M600 threads at ES for over a year, in particular Wanyne's build with the Dengfu M09 carbon fiber frame. I'm a novice and the prospect of sourcing the frame, motor, battery, etc. and putting together my own build was pretty daunting. I had resigned myself to wait...
      Last edited by tomdav; 09-29-2019, 10:20 PM.

    #10
    Does anyone here know how I can tell if my bike does have the ludicrous programming, like a version # or something in settings?

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    • paxtana
      paxtana commented
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      Put a wattmeter in line with discharge. If wattmeter shows double what the display is reporting then you have ludi

    • Robocam
      Robocam commented
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      Where would be the best place to cut the power line to install a meter?

    • paxtana
      paxtana commented
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      You can put a watt meter in line of the xt60 by the motor, just remove the plastic cover on non drive side it has 3 t10 bolts

    #11
    OK, update: I just found out that by pressing the on/offf button (once turned on), it cycles through several items and shows wattage too. No need for a meter, etc.

    Another discovery, my bike was only showing 5 levels of assist. You can change that to 9, so now it shows 9 when pressing the up button. Should make a difference so IF it ever stops raining here, I'll take it out again.
    Last edited by joaklay; 09-29-2019, 01:48 PM.

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    • paxtana
      paxtana commented
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      It's not really that simple if you want to determine if you have ludi. Ludicrous on X1 is the same as the ludi bbshd controllers we make. It works by basically tricking the controller into doubling the current. Actual wattage readings from a wattmeter will be double whatever the display is reporting at any given time, because the display is taking those wattage readings from what the controller is reporting.

    #12
    https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...4275#post94275 I hope that Luna will swap out a motor for you since yours apparently is abnormal? Did Keppler ever confirm that his motor had steel gears? Looking forward to his grease story when he opens it up. Appreciate your honest updates. I originally had ordered one because it was supposed to be quiet and canceled when it was said that Ludicrous would come without throttle. With no upgrade possible coming straight from CS email. it does not appear really loud, but it is not quiet either

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    • tomdav
      tomdav commented
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      Luna said the shop had tested 50 of them and they were all like mine, even the demo bike, somewhere between BBSHD and Cyclone in terms of noise. Given that, they could not exchange a motor since the one they send would not be any different. Sounds like they are testing different greases. I agree with Kepler that the noise seems less as the motor breaks in. Still more than I'm happy with but may not be that bothersome to others.

    • New Mariner
      New Mariner commented
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      A well greased BBSHD is virtually silent. That was the noise level anticipated. Their ad said quiet. No video, no reports about noise level, i guess they were doing everything possible to reduce the noise level before giving out more info. It is an awesome bike, but not silent enough when you are riding around all non electrics.

    #13
    Where is the power level screw located on the Ludicrous model?

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      #14
      Originally posted by jmbach View Post
      Any idea when these will be open for orders again?
      So any day now?

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      • paxtana
        paxtana commented
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        It is open for ordering now.

      #15
      I just put my bike together. Does anyone know what the switch next to the throttle does? I haven't had a chance to ride mine yet but was just wondering.

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      • Tigweld
        Tigweld commented
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        that is the dropper post lever. Putting pressure down on the seat(by sitting or pushing with hand) and hitting the button will lower the seat. Releasing weight and hitting the button allows the seat to raise. Pretty standard on modern mtn bikes.
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