Luna M600 Ludicrous V2 controller documentation

[AZguy]

IMHO linear is a bad progression

I'm not sure whether this is what the post concerns but after going to a geometric (exponential) progression I'm much, much happier with my V1 BBSHD

Every level about 140% the prior level with every two levels doubling power (9 levels) - this is a far more useful progression, at least for me... the first level starts quite low, maybe 5-6% or so and all levels get used although 8 & 9 (~1050W & ~1500W) are very seldom used

I've tuned numerous others this way with the only difference the starting point, some find 5-6% too low to be useful, I use it frequently however, regardless every user I've change to this has liked it much better than linear

[IOUZIP]

Can someone repost or tell me where I can find the default settings for the 3 modes. I found one post but it seems some people questioned if all the numbers were correct. Thanks.

My default settings with the latest firmware installed 2022.05.09

Street	Default
Throttle Amps	30
PAS Amps	22
Power	500
RPM	3000
Throttle Response	0.9
Throttle Linearity	100
PAS Response	0.8
Field Weakening	2
Trail	Default
Throttle Amps	70
PAS Amps	60
Power	2000
RPM	5000
Throttle Response	0.4
Throttle Linearity	100
PAS Response	0.6
Field Weakening	7
Ludi	Default
Throttle Amps	100
PAS Amps	93
Power	2500
RPM	6500
Throttle Response	0.3
Throttle Linearity	100
PAS Response	0.3
Field Weakening	7

[marcos]

The settings are stored in the app only. You can uninstall the app and then re-install it and the sliders will be reset to the default position.

[marcos]

You mean progressive as in linear, or as in slower? PAS is already fully linear, for a sensed pedal torque it will apply a proportional amount of motor torque. You change the multiplying factor by setting the PAS level and/or the PAS Amps in the app.
If what you're looking for is a slower response, you can reduce the PAS response slider in the app, so for example it takes 1.0 seconds to ramp up the torque

[Cam]

Did you end up posting the default settings anywhere. I can find them for some reason. Thanks

[Cam]

Can someone repost or tell me where I can find the default settings for the 3 modes. I found one post but it seems some people questioned if all the numbers were correct. Thanks.

[perseverantone]

backmarket.com find Refurbished phones with a 2-year break-fix warranty and 30-day return/exchange policy just bought an S10Plus for my new LUNA X2 Ludi that should arrive tomorrow. For only $152 Bucks. Also WideMan EX behind Bar bag, or Whale Fall EVA bag on Amazon holds Phones in the best location and shades display from sun glare. Rockbros makes one too.

[perseverantone]

Very little chance. LUNA says the X2 Ludi V2 can use the 860C but the one they sell is the 850C there is a P860C that looks super nice, that I thought may work, its the next generation of the 860C, but the display they sell has a pixelated blue gray display which are the few colors I have trouble seeing when placed on top of each other. If this works please let me know. I Swear it looks like windows 98se graphics. I thought they would of changed graphics to use the quality display but they haven't. Displays are the Luna X2 Ludi's only kryptonite. None work but the one they sell. I plan to use AMAZOn and try as many with the same plug as I can and if they don't work, repackage and return. I also wonder why they don't get it working with egg rider v2, or another display where you can change between 3 Maps Road, Trail & Ludicrous without having a phone on you would be a nice integration. It's weird they say the LUNA X2 works with this display, but the photo on the link to the display but customer review looks crisp and easy to read but on their website, it looks like crap, Frank LOPEZ verified buyer took photo of display on his bike, but I don't know if he is riding X2 Ludicrous or another bafang motor- https://lunacycle.com/luna-full-colo...able-selector/

[perseverantone]

There seems to be a new display which is kind of interesting. What are the odds of it working?
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3256804134050147.html

SO far unless you have X2 with Bafang firmware the only display that will work Luna says is the 860C they sell on their page which is SUPER lackluster in looks, they need to update to a better display & integrate their controls some into that Display so you don't need to bring phone once you have your 3 maps set. So you can just use the display to switch from one mode to the next, I am surprised they didn't do that already. If they can do it with the UART, they can do it with their custom software. No one wants the old display, but with my eyesight, I may have no other choice. Also, LUNA X2 has no second batteries available. Actually, I feel slightly let down by LUNA's lack of parts. I want 160mm Crank arms and I can not find them anywhere. SO Frustrating. My Brother has the Bakcou Mule with Ultra 620 & it does 38mph uphill and his bike weighs like 80lbs. I was told that the X2 ludicrous would be faster than the Z1, & at 1800watts, I should be able to go faster than my brother without worrying about overheating. But now I won't know until I drive it & tune it. Even weirder is on their apex and Apollo they had their M620 Ultra motor tuned to 2500watts on APEX and 2000watts on Apollo, but only 1500watts on Z1, I asked them if they will ever release the UART with the 2000watt power system, cause I know the engine is more sturdy. But for some reason, they didn't keep the Z1 with that power option. Bummer

[perseverantone]

For those looking for a cheap Android phone to run the VESC app on check out your local Walmart or online at Amazon and pickup a prepaid locked phone for $50 or less. Samsung A03s, Motorola Moto G Pure, TCL 30 Z, etc... Just configure it and update via wifi. They all have Bluetooth 5.0 and are offer future OS and security updates.

I went to backmarket.com got an Unlocked S10Plus with 2 year break fix Warranty for $127 I think it was, They have cheaper phones that are newer too. Also Wildman Ex bag on amazon for phone holder great bag for viewing the VESC app. Helps block glare.

[perseverantone]

Ok, so - I'm embarrassed to say, datalogging on iPhone (do NOT use to try to do fw updates!) works. I wasted much time on this falling into a black hole of trying to get alternate file mgmt apps and the like, as the native VESC file browser (e.g. for choosing a log folder) brings up the app's sandboxed environment looking like a Unix/Linux filesystem, e.g. /var/mobile/Containers/<GUID>/<blah blah/more> while of course the IOS Files app - does not such thing.

Wasted a ton of time down that black hole and was convinced I couldn't 'find' the logs, nor set the log output to somewhere useful, like e.g. Documents/Logs. But it's simple - either you can open Files then search for YYYY-MM-DD, e.g. 2022-05-04 and look for the file with the same at the start of it's name (rest of name is HH_MM_SS or hours, minutes, seconds log started) ending in .csv.
OR, you know - you can go to Files / On my iPhone / VESC Tool - and there you go. From there, long press, Share, mail or text to yourself, send to dropbox or whatever so you can do analysis in the desktop app. Easy. :D

PS - iPhone app seems to NOT retain datalogging setting, would be great to merge this into main VESC etc.

I phone doesn't have full functionality. Buy a Refurbished Phone on Backmarket.com you can get them as cheap as 112 bucks for phones produced from 2019-2021. I got the S10Plus comes with 2-year drop/fix replacement too.

I can not find any 160mm Crank arms and its driving me nuts. So hard to find for m600

Chris

[perseverantone]

Go to Backmarket.com I Just bought a Refurbished S10Plus for 156 bucks with 2 years drop/fix/water damage warranty for my X2 so I don't destroy my Good phone, & I purchased Wild Man EX Phone Bag behind handle bars to hold phone my X2 is in route when I get it set up I will let ya know how it works. also the Wildman Bag, Has shading for the screen glare.

[IOUZIP]

Marcos,
The v2 controller in trail mode with default settings is my current config. Which changes to the parameters will make the PAS more progressive?

[IOUZIP]

For those looking for a cheap Android phone to run the VESC app on check out your local Walmart or online at Amazon and pickup a prepaid locked phone for $50 or less. Samsung A03s, Motorola Moto G Pure, TCL 30 Z, etc... Just configure it and update via wifi. They all have Bluetooth 5.0 and are offer future OS and security updates.

[marcos]

not sure... so far the 2 canbus displays were pretty different and needed some patches to get it working on both. With that in mind I'd guess it will have quirks and I'll need one shipped to the lab to attempt a debug