Paxtana, that is great to know!!!
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Question, When I go to file to pull up the 3 bin files associated with the besst service tool I see,
Bafang firmware 46.6
Luna x1 firmware
Stock x1 firmware
What are folks talking about when that art talking about the 14.6 firmware and the 14.5 firmware, I don't see them in the dropdown.Comment
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What eyedoc said. Use the stock_x1_firmware file.Originally posted by bohunter View Post
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It's great to hear that you tried all 3 versions. If you or anyone else knows or remembers, I thought that v 46.6 was the newer 14.6 from last August. I also thought that it may have been better at starting and stopping the motor quicker (in response to the pedals, and therefore better for shifting, control, etc.). At the expense of less range. Can anyone confirm or deny any or all of this?
I do recall that the newer version has a higher minimum assist, which could be a downside of it. But if I can control it better, then I don't mind more assistance.
I made my pre-order last week, asking for 14.6 or whatever is newest, to enable use of PAS 1&2. However, I was thinking that 46.6 may be the one I prefer. It may make sense that quicker reactions to the peddles would use more energy (at least to stop a sub-woofer quicker, one needs more power). It could be that quicker starting goes to higher peak current and therefore more heat loss. If so, more consistent pedaling may save energy, when needed. It might not be due to a less efficient controller algorithm or whatever.
So, I have been waiting to see more information on that newest version from Aug. 2020 or so, thinking that's the one that I would prefer. I could be wrong, but I think that performance is more important for me to ride into the hills by my home, than range. BTW, my ride home is very down hill (which is the way I like it).
Also, will I need to buy the BESST to remove a speed limit? In other words,
Paxtana, does Luna remove the speed limit, or can I request that be done at the time of the firmware load?
Thanks.
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If anyone has specific corrections to that set of flashing instructions I posted, please let me know. The thought of folks struggling unnecessarily with flawed instructions is disturbing. (I should bring my older X-1 into basement and go through the flashing process to test instructions, but things keep consuming my time!) As a side note, I apparently just changed some forum settings and it revealed at least a page worth of comments that I hadn't seen before. So many options for viewing; half the time I can't even find the three topics I'm subscribed to by clicking "my subscriptions."Comment
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I was getting over an unrelated injury but finally got a chance to flash my bike to the stock (14.6) firmware and wow. Fixes my biggest issue with the bike (the other is lack of 160mm alloy crank options). Spent the day climbing steep tech in 3/9 EL34-style, plenty of power, easy to control, still a workout. This is finally the bike I wanted to buy in the first place, I'm super stoked Luna made this option available.Comment
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Hey, thanks for the info. It sounds like the update smooths out PAS 1 and 2 and is worth it. I have the 14.5 and only PAS levels that are worth using are 5 and 9 on 1-9 selection. Would you say that each level no has a noticeable difference? Also, is it too much power on 1-3 or same power just much smoother? Thanks!
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I’ll start by saying I love my X1 (Ludicrous, silent gear). I’ve put over 1400 miles on it since May, and it has been a total blast! That being said, I rode mostly in 3 (out of 5) because there wasn’t too much to 1 and 2. I have been really curious about the different firmwares, and I’ve been watching this group and the different forums, trying to decide if splurging the 100 bucks on the BESST tool would be worth it. Last week I did it.
BEST DECISION EVER!
I switched from the Luna X1 firmware (14.5) to the Stock X1 firmware (14.6). My X1 now feels really smooth, and the gradient between 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 feels really natural. 1 works. 2 works. There’s no jerkiness of it coming on, then going off like I used to feel as I pedaled in 2. The range also increased on my bike, partly because I can functionally ride in lower PAS more than before, but I think there’s more to it than just that. I think this firmware may make the motor run more efficiently. Not sure, but anyways, I’m real happy.
If anyone is in the Bay Area, in CA, and interested in changing the firmware on their bike, I’m totally willing (and joyously excited!) to share for like $25.Comment
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Does anyone have the 43V version of the firmwares?Comment
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43 volt?Originally posted by Animalector View Post
Not sure what you are asking?
The battery pack is not 43 voltsComment
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The X1 has a 13 cells x 4.2 volt pack = 54.6 volts when fully chargedComment
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Hi,Originally posted by paxtana View Post
I am having the same issue. Could you please send me the required user name and password? (off line is not available)
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Sent it to you in a PM.
Bafang threatened to ban our account if we did not remove the publicly visible login details. Apparently they read this thread, so feel free to let them know your feedback on forcing people to use locked down equipment.Comment
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I was able to login (thank you). However:Originally posted by paxtana View Post- The battery shows failed (even though the bike works just fine). Should I worry about it? (I unplugged and try 5 times). Battery is 75% charged.
- The tuner doesn’t read the serial number. Do I enter this manually? Where and how do it get it? (order #125397)
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Hey guys, Just received my besst tool (thanks Luna) and managed to change a few things (wheel size etc) but when I went to change the firmware I’m stuck. Everything went fine with connection and loading firmware onto besst tool (beeps once to confirm) but when it says to disconnect and reconnect the bike nothing happens, no matter how many times I tried I can’t get past this point, is there something I’m not doing right any help would be greatly appreciated. Also my firmware is 46.6, is 14.6 newer than mine? Is it better? My bike is a custom build dengfu E10 (similar to x1) if that helps. Thanks.Comment
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Wow what a pissy response, I hope you dont speak for Eric as I’ve been a fan of his for some time. Can you show where it says on your website besst page that it’s only to be used with motors sold by luna? The only difference between my m600 and yours is you have put crappy firmware on it. Was only looking to try out of curiosity, my bike works great unlike your x1. Funny Luna have always been all about the ebike diy community but you sound like the complete opposite but thanks for the response any way. -
Sorry if you feel that asking whether you have the same motor on something you described as custom is 'pissy'. We have no experience using this with motors other than the one we sell, so as I already said we do not know if it would work. For all I know you got some random knockoff on alibaba that doesn't even have the same compatibility. Not saying you do, I am saying I don't know, because you did not get the hardware from a source that we can verify is the same. Obviously we can not support something you bought elsewhere. If this somehow goes over your head or you want to be upset about it then I don't know what to tell you.
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Wow again! Ok last post but I obviously need to clarify for you. I asked for some advice in using a programming tool purchased from you, at no point did I ask you for any kind of support for my knockoff motor (really?) from alibaba and his forty fucking thieves. So ye something is going over someone’s head. Seriously pal it’s worse your getting.Comment
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Sorry, but can’t hold my tongue on this one. I think you are taking his response out of context. You stated it was “custom build”. All he was asking was if an M600. This is a legitimate question in trying to assist as the M500 and M600 are two different motors that have same footprint and will fit same frames. Furthermore there are M600’s that have 36V, 43V and 48V copper windings. This would be important to know as you wouldn’t want to load firmware for a 48V motor on a 36V unit or vice versa. I think there was a spirit of trying to help there, but a quick defensive and aggressive response like calling him pi#sy just isn’t going to get you anywhere and he didn’t resort for tit for tat in his reply and continued with professionalism in my opinion. We are all in this together and hope we can all treat each other with a bit more kindness. Best of luck! -
I'd look elsewhere for general M600 hackery, Luna's staff is probably not going to venture into off-brand combinations, and that makes perfect sense in this context. There is no need to get grouchy about it, it's just business. Try here, in a space for enthusiasts:
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Hey Paxtana....any chance you can provide any insight regarding #51 post above?
All along, Luna has been commenting how dangerous the "14.6 version" of firmware is for the Ludicrous mode X1's.
According to the info in #51, the writer doesn't appear to be experiencing any danger with the 14.6 / Ludi combo. This combo reads to be very positive.
Just curious, since I recently pre-odered a Ludi X1 along with the BESST device....Last edited by KTMracer63; 02-11-2021, 11:02 PM.Comment
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Upper management is sensitive to the liability inherent in providing pas that outputs double the current of the stock controller even in the lowest pas level. They flew in a bafang engineer from the other side of the world just to make that gimped version. Many people seem to prefer the bafang stock firmware instead anyway. Go figure. -
Makes sense! Much appreciated Pax!!!
My immediate hunch was that dreaded "L" word.
Oh, can you PM me the BESST Login/PW info? I'll PM you my order #.
Cheers
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