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    Michigan state parks E-bikes prohibited

    Took my e-bikes to Ft. Custer state recreation area in Michigan today. There is a sign at the trail entrance "E-Bikes prohibited" per some administrative code.

    I have searched online for this administrative code, but have not found it as of this post. All I found was a discussion on the Department of Natural Resources website that stated mountain bikers were opposed to allowing e-bikes on trails.

    Since E-bikes are classified as non-motorized vehicles in Michigan, e-bikes are likely prohibited on motorized ORV trails also.

    Due to repetitive motion stress injuries from work, I am in too much muscular discomfort / pain to exercise. I know I am out of shape, as I get worn out pedaling a bike for just a few miles. Having an e-bike helps get me out of the house (when I have a rare day off), at least to go out and tinker if I do not ride. While it was only $10 for the annual state park pass, it was a waste as I cannot ride in any state park.

    This made me very angry and depressed, so I am consuming comfort food to make me feel better - pizza & soda pop. :D
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    #2
    Originally posted by FattysEBikes View Post
    ...Since E-bikes are classified as non-motorized vehicles in Michigan,...
    Weird that something with a motor would be classified as non-motorized.

    Regarding eMTB, I have plenty of fun riding on the street, and cleanup is a lot easier!

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    • JCHobbes
      #2.1
      JCHobbes commented
      08-12-2017, 03:28 PM
      Editing a comment
      Here in Michigan dirt trails are smoother than the roads.
    • commuter ebikes
      #2.2
      commuter ebikes commented
      08-12-2017, 03:41 PM
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      It is the same here. It is also very crowded with cars so I always wear a reflective vest and use headlights and flashing tail lights day and night.
    #3
    Cary this with you and ride If you get hassled get a lawyer and start a lawsuit aginst the park and the state
    Federal Electric Bicycle Law HR 727 Look it up stand up for your rights
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    • JCHobbes
      #3.1
      JCHobbes commented
      08-12-2017, 03:30 PM
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      The way the world is now, I would likely receive death threats, and get the stuffing beat out of me by the anti e-bike bikers for wanting equal access.
    • commuter ebikes
      #3.2
      commuter ebikes commented
      08-12-2017, 03:43 PM
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      A lot of the traditional MTB crowd does not welcome eMTBs. The mtbr forum has an ebike section and it is at least 50% vitriol against motorized bikes. Limiting ebike use to the streets seems to placate these people, however.
    #4
    Just move, Is that the kind of mentality you want to have to live with the rest of your life
    There is a whole lot cooler places to live than Michigan

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    • JCHobbes
      #4.1
      JCHobbes commented
      08-12-2017, 08:32 PM
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      I have moved multiple times, circumstances keep dragging me back, darn it. I was a full time RV'r for a while, seeking jobs away from Michigan. I was literally 30 minutes to turn key and gone if I found a job. After spending two Michigan winters in the RV, I gave up, sold it.
    #5
    http://www.peopleforbikes.org/pages/emtb


    Been reading what I can and most intellectual arguments against ebikes that surround erosion and speed are bull. I move less dirt than young people in Lycra and can't go as fast. We need to ban young people in Lycra. Once in a while in forums and in the back rooms of your LBS you hear the truth: ebikes allow old people of intermediate ability on "their" trails.

    When ebikes are outlawed, only outlaws will have ebikes.
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      #6
      No matter what the MTB club riders say there's no getting around the fact that downhillers ripping down hills riding the latest tech bikes with 9" suspensions are more threatening to hikers on trails than 99.9% of the Ebikers.

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        #7
        Go north young man ! I'm a Hoosier and rode the Kal-Haven trail a little and then the ORV's up by Baldwin. I would think during the week you would be the LONE RIDER !! I would take my chances. Go for it dude !!

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        • JCHobbes
          #7.1
          JCHobbes commented
          08-13-2017, 06:57 PM
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          I forgot about the Kal-Haven, Thanx! I used to ride motorcycles every memorial / labor day weekend many, MANY moons ago. We had a 2 axle snowmobile trailer that we stuffed something like 12 bikes on. Camped at what we called "the powerlines" (consumers energy access trail), with no power outlets, roughing it.
        #8
        I've ridden the ORV trails in MI many times with my fat ebikes, opting to leave my KTM on the trailer. Great fun in the sand. I can keep about the same pace I do on gas, on the tighter MCCC trails, if I want to.

        But it's so far away......it is pointless to use my Suburban to haul 2 ebikes 3 hours north, just to have some green, gas-free fun :(

        I've been planning an ebike ride to the new Belle Isle state park. I hope this rule applies to just the one park you were visiting, and not to state parkS, across Michigan!

        I prefer slow and comfy, usually. Non electric bikes pass me practically every ride, on bike trails. I can't, and don't care to, keep up with mtn bikers on dirt trails. I'm fine with not going fast, just let me ride, too, please.
        Last edited by JPLabs; 08-18-2017, 07:02 AM. Reason: commentary
        Fabrication is fun! Build something today. Show someone. Let them help. Inspire and share. Spread the desire.

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          #9
          I was in the U.P. a couple of weeks ago at Tahquamenon Falls State Park. I didn't have my bikes along, but didn't notice any signs banning ebikes. Hope it's just that one local recreation area.

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          • JPLabs
            #9.1
            JPLabs commented
            08-16-2017, 10:43 AM
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            Thanks for that data point. Nice to know. I like that park, never seen it without snow though.
          #10
          Originally posted by Tech3 View Post
          Cary this with you and ride If you get hassled get a lawyer and start a lawsuit aginst the park and the state
          Federal Electric Bicycle Law HR 727 Look it up stand up for your rights
          The park rules would over rule the feds unfortunately.

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            #11
            Are you sure
            Supremacy Of Federal Laws – Conflict of Laws
            https://conflictoflaws.uslegal.com/supremacy-of-federal-laws/

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              #12
              Each state is interesting. Nevada:

              NRS 480.730 Electric bicycles authorized for use on trails or walkways intended for use by bicycles. Electric bicycles, as defined in NRS 482.0287, must be allowed on any trail or pedestrian walkway that is intended for use by bicycles and is constructed using federal funding obtained pursuant to 23 U.S.C. 217.
              (Added to NRS by 2009, 393)

              What is difficult is reminding the self righteous Californian they are in a different state. One has to get their attention.

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                #13
                E-bikes would be allowed on Michigan trails if legislation approved
                http://www.mlive.com/news/muskegon/index.ssf/2017/07/state_rep_holly_hughes_local_c.html
                State and local officials tried out the electric-assisted bikes Friday in Montague.

                Michigan DNR Utilizes QuietKat's All-Terrain Electric Mountain Bikes On Patrol
                http://www.quietkat.com/michigan-dnr-utilizes-quietkats-fatkat-electric-mountain-bikes-patrol/
                Eagle, CO – Michigan Department of Natural Resources (DNR) announced today that QuietKat electric fat-tire bikes are currently being used by conservation officers for citing and ticketing wildlife violations throughout Northern Michigan. DNR Conservation Officer Adam Leclerc out of Alpena, MI has been using a 1000-watt QuietKat on his patrols throughout the fall hunting season and has reported to his superiors that the bike has performed very well in the field for covering large areas of woods quickly and quietly.   “One case was reported of illegal baiting of deer behind locked gates, and Officer Leclerc utilized the QuietKat to sneak up on the violator and ticket the individual,” said DNR Lt. Jim Gorno. “Overall, the bike has been a great enforcement tool for our division.” With advances in technology, electric bikes meet a need for patrolling areas that are hard to access due to their portable design and extended battery range. The QuietKat electric bike delivers high power and torque while allowing silent travel into areas without alerting violators in the immediate vicinity. The 1000-watt QuietKat electric mountain bike that the DNR utilizes provides portable, stealthy, and powerful transportation in the field or on the road. The QuietKat incorporates a silent, sealed, and commanding mid-drive motor system to navigate most landscapes. The bike also utilizes a high-powered and long-lasting lithium battery that supplies clean and consistent power for 20-25 miles per charge. The QuietKat eBike has five levels of assisted pedal power with full throttle capabilities, seven gears, and disc brakes. A digital display provides information on battery levels, speed, distance traveled, and power control. “We are very pleased that our QuietKat electric bikes have received high remarks from a state agency like the Michigan DNR,” said Jake Roach, President of QuietKat, Inc. “Our company is comprised of a group of avid outdoorsman, and it is a great feeling knowing that our vehicles are playing a role in the efforts to protect our natural resources.” “It has been a pleasure working closely with the Michigan DNR and it is great to see the department utilizing advanced electric technologies,” said Paul Adam, owner of a Michigan QuietKat dealer. “We look forward to a long-lasting partnership and expanding the QuietKat vehicles into additional departments in the near future.” About QuietKat Inc. QuietKat, Inc., headquartered in Eagle, Colorado is an advanced electric vehicle company for today’s progressive outdoorsman. Our low-speed electric vehicles and fat-tire mountain bikes are engineered for off-road travel to provide portable, stealthy, and powerful transportation. Lithium batteries supply clean, consistent, and silent power for navigation over all types of riding landscapes. These electric machines go beyond the woods, making them great mobility tools around the home, at work, and on the farm. For more information, visit www.quietkat.com About Michigan DNR The Michigan Department of Natural Resources is committed to the conservation, protection, management, use, and enjoyment of the state’s natural and cultural resources for current and future generations. For more information, go to www.michigan.gov/dnr.

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                • JPLabs
                  #13.1
                  JPLabs commented
                  08-18-2017, 06:58 AM
                  Editing a comment
                  Pretty encouraging. Seems to set up enablers and a pretty standard ebike regulation framework, but lets each locality decide if and how they want to allow ebikes on their trails, right? So, this isn't exactly a blanket permission slip to open bike trails to ebikes. Seems optional, as it is today. Is that how you read it?

                  Regardless, I'm pleased to see some support and promotion addressing ebikes in Michigan.
                • HarryS
                  #13.2
                  HarryS commented
                  11-04-2017, 03:55 PM
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                  Deer Season already? Where's the year gone to? Good shooting by the way
                #14
                I tip my hat to anyone who makes such a great effort to educate the legislators. I live in a state where the Federal Government owns more of the land than the state does, so I hope they too can be educated.

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                  #15
                  Originally posted by Green Werks View Post
                  Are you sure
                  https://conflictoflaws.uslegal.com/s...-federal-laws/
                  Yes, if you wanted to challenge it in court feel free to do so, but the guy writing you a ticket won't care.

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